Protests in Syria - Discussion Thread

[AustinJ]

Russia 'Keeping Assad in Power' - Clinton

MOSCOW, April 11 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's inaction over the crisis in Syria is keeping President Bashar al-Assad in power, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said.

Russia's "refusal to join us in some kind of constructive action is keeping Assad in power, well-armed, able to ignore the demands of his own people, the region and the world," Clinton said at the U.S. Naval Academy on Tuesday.

She said the U.S. would again try to persuade Russia to support UN action that would at least allow humanitarian aid when G8 foreign ministers meet in Washington on Wednesday.

Clinton also said the "likelihood of regional conflict and civil war is increasing" in Syria.

Clinton's comments came as Syrian security forces continued military operations despite an agreement to withdraw troops by Tuesday.

However, Annan said earlier on Tuesday his efforts to end the unrest were still "very much alive."

Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem said on Tuesday in Moscow that army units had begun withdrawing from some towns and cities, a claim denounced by a French foreign ministry spokesman as an "unacceptable lie."

"Every effort must be made to achieve a cessation of violence in all its forms on 12 April at 06:00 [03:00 GMT]," Annan said in a letter to the UN Security Council.

"There is no more time to lose," Annan said. "We must all push for an end to the bloodshed before Syria plunges into the abyss."

[[64]Lynx]

Are you for real? There are thousands of videos of wounded and dead civilians..men, women, children, the elderly..I can PM you the links to dozens of them if you'd like. Oh, and most of the opposition are caught and killed once they show up in the E.R. with gunshot wounds. That's a death sentence. I've seen plenty of makeshift bedroom-hospitals. A hospital in Homs was taken over by the Syrian Army.

If you have a time, I'd like to see that videos.

Then what's with all the guys in Syrian Army uniforms showing their military ID's? Why would anybody go through the time to fake a military ID and then claim to be a defector? That's asking to be shot on sight.

It doesn't take much time to fake ID, if it's about installing 'our SOB' instead of Assad. BTW, do you know how Syrian military ID looks like indeed? It doesn't take much time to fake wounds or corpses if necessary. I've seen some people dead at one photos (earlier) and wounded at another (later). Information war has plenty of assets in its inventory

The same argument was made about Libya. It's called the "black market". Remember back when everyone was like "zOMG, where did the Libyan rebels get g36's?!" It's the Middle East and there's a sh!tload of weapons everywhere, and all you need is money. They can probably buy anything in Lebanon. Hell, I could probably go to Mexico and buy a grenade launcher with enough money.

So, where did rebels get G36s? I remember that scandal involving H&K.

[gresh]

If you have a time, I'd like to see that videos.


It doesn't take much time to fake ID, if it's about installing 'our SOB' instead of Assad. BTW, do you know how Syrian military ID looks like indeed? It doesn't take much time to fake wounds or corpses if necessary. I've seen some people dead at one photos (earlier) and wounded at another (later). Information war has plenty of assets in its inventory

So, where did rebels get G36s? I remember that scandal involving H&K.

Elite Libyan units acquired them illegally, then the rebels looted them from the Bab al-Azizia arms store. It wasn't some Western conspiracy to supply the rebels (although weapons were supplied later).

While Gadhafi was not allowed to buy any Heckler and Koch guns officially, he obtained plenty of other German weapons legally. For instance, the German-French owned EADS supplied Gadhafi with 168-million euros ($240 million) worth of anti-tank missiles, plus a number of tank transporters and other military vehicles.It was inevitable that when the weapons embargo against Libya was lifted in 2004, respected German brands like Daimler and EADS would move in. In some cases literally - EADS even opened an office in Tripoli. Mark Bromley, a researcher with the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), confirms that this was part of a general move.
"There was certainly quite a broad push by a number of defense companies, often with the support of their own national governments, to try to access a potentially lucrative arms market in Libya," he told Deutsche Welle.

Oh, and yes I do know how a Syrian Army ID looks. Some look different, but that's only because the design chances every few years. Same with ID's and drivers licenses in most countries.





I'll link you to some of those videos.

[Herman the II]

So, where did rebels get G36s? I remember that scandal involving H&K.

The rebels stole those from Gagas security forces and looted some from his compound in Tripoli. Gaga got the weapons from Egypt. Most likely some officially lost ones from the black market there.. Or a corrupt official.

[Silent Reader]

The same argument was made about Libya. It's called the "black market". Remember back when everyone was like "zOMG, where did the Libyan rebels get g36's?!" It's the Middle East and there's a sh!tload of weapons everywhere, and all you need is money. They can probably buy anything in Lebanon. Hell, I could probably go to Mexico and buy a grenade launcher with enough money.

The Saudi ambassador (?) already said weeks ago that they were supporting the FSA with weapons sent via Jordan.

[gresh]

The Saudi ambassador (?) already said weeks ago that they were supporting the FSA with weapons sent via Jordan.

Oh, I know. Weapons are starting to slowly trickle into Syria(from other governments). It wasn't like that until recently, though. They barely had any guns and were running out of bullets. The only weapons they could get were either stolen or bought from the Syrian Army or smuggled from sympathetic neighbors in Lebanon and Iraq. I've read about Iraqi's giving their weapons to the Syrian's and the only thing they asked for was to pay for the transport and smuggling. The price of weapons on the black market there has gone up a lot.

[OrangeWolf]

Two Lebanese army soldiers cross into Syria, join Free Syrian Army

"Lebanese authorities requested Syria to arrest them and return them to Lebanon."

http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticl...aspx?ID=385153

[IconOfEvi]

Doubting those are real military IDs? Wondering why there are no dead flooding the hospitals?

Goddamn gresh, I dont understand how you have the patience to stick around and reply to all these

[Camera]

Report: Assad forces fire at Syrian refugee camp in Turkey

Incident marks second time Syrian forces fire on Turkish territory this week; fresh violence reported throughout Syria less than 24 hours before UN-brokered cease fire due to go into effect.

By Haaretz and The Associated Press

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-e...urkey-1.423733

[[64]Lynx]

Doubting those are real military IDs? Wondering why there are no dead flooding the hospitals?

Goddamn gresh, I dont understand how you have the patience to stick around and reply to all these

Hehe, after Russian tanks storming the Gori in 8.8.8, Abhasia flooded by hordes of evil VDVs and killed-wounded civilians I don't trust much to all I see. Media war is so media war...

[Siberian wolf]

DAMASCUS, (SANA)_An official source at the Defense Ministry said that it has been decided
to halt the armed forces' missions starting Thursday morning ,after they carried out successful missions in combating criminal acts by armed terrorist groups and enforced the authority of the state on all its territories.
The source added that the armed forces will be on alert to confront any attack by armed terrorist groups against civilians,
law-enforcement members, the armed forces and private and public facilities.

http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2012/04/11/412034.htm

[gresh]

Doubting those are real military IDs? Wondering why there are no dead flooding the hospitals?

Goddamn gresh, I dont understand how you have the patience to stick around and reply to all these

Sometimes it amazes me that people think that all the raw footage coming out of Syria of people dying is lies and propaganda. Anybody who's been to like..Universal Studios or something would know that 99.999% of the opposition don't have the money and resources to stage this stuff. Sure, both sides use propaganda in some form or another but the majority of it is from Assad. Just the other day I saw a video of of some Syrian Army regulars tying the corpse of an FSA fighter to the hood of a BMP-1. That stuff happens everyday, and it's ridiculous to say it's fake. One member on here posted a video of some Syrian Army guys singing to try and show them in a positive light. I've seen the exact same dude desecrating the bodies of dead FSA, pulling their pants down, etc.

I don't know whether people are just really misinformed or lying to themselves.

[IconOfEvi]

Sometimes people prefer to fit the facts to a narrative

[[64]Lynx]

Sometimes it amazes me that people think that all the raw footage coming out of Syria of people dying is lies and propaganda. Anybody who's been to like..Universal Studios or something would know that 99.999% of the opposition don't have the money and resources to stage this stuff. Sure, both sides use propaganda in some form or another but the majority of it is from Assad. Just the other day I saw a video of of some Syrian Army regulars tying the corpse of an FSA fighter to the hood of a BMP-1. That stuff happens everyday, and it's ridiculous to say it's fake. One member on here posted a video of some Syrian Army guys singing to try and show them in a positive light. I've seen the exact same dude desecrating the bodies of dead FSA, pulling their pants down, etc.

I don't know whether people are just really misinformed or lying to themselves.

The same 'raw footage' from Libya sometimes was fake. The same goes to some pics from Osetia. Hell, I lol'd a lot when I compared stuff shown on western media with the real stuff I saw by myself in Abhasia during august of 2008. You saw the video of corpse tied to APC? I saw the same pictures from Vietnam, Somalia, Chechnya. Damn, it's a war. Nearly civil war. So don't be shocked. And don't be so naive to think that all this 'Arab spring BS' started just because the people became totally tired of their governments.
BTW, pulling pants off the dead enemy is standart procedure after battle. It's the check of arms and other stuff which can be hidden there, one of the basic thing that are learned at war.

[themacedonian]

Apparently all quiet so far ........