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    Quote Originally Posted by kalerab View Post
    Doubt it, HA are Syrian proxies. Worst case scenario, they will just send more operatives to Syria and be used by Assad as paramilitary forces, not taking control over high security government assets as CW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by themacedonian View Post
    This is becoming ridiculous.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...KbU_story.html


    U.S., allies accelerating plans to secure chemical arsenal as Syrian crisis worsens


    The planning, involving intelligence and military officials from at least seven countries, includes detailed arrangements for securing chemical arms with special operations troops in the event that parts of Syria are seized by militants, the officials said. Western and regional intelligence officials are increasingly concerned that Islamic extremists could attempt to seize control of whole towns and districts if the country slides into full-scale civil war.

    First doing everything to help the militants to seize more and more areas and then using that as a justification to "guard" it against them using troops? Seriously?

    That would not be called an invasion? or is it limited invasion? or is it limited peacekeeping? Would they be greeted by the rest of the Syrian troops as "non combatants"?
    Ridiculous is a euphemism in this case.

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    Border heats up as Syria slides toward civil war

    Attention is once again on the border between Lebanon and Syria. A letter from Syrian’s United Nations envoy Bashar Jaafari addressed to Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon accuses Lebanon of harboring terrorists from Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood who are working to undermine Special Envoy Kofi Annan’s plan and are transporting arms overland from ships docked in Lebanese ports to Syria. The letter also says that the commander of the Free Syrian Army, Col. Riyad Asaad, has visited Lebanon in order to prepare a buffer zone on Lebanese territory.Security sources at Western embassies in Lebanon, citing information from political groups, said the situation in Syria could deteriorate in coming weeks, bringing the country closer to civil war. If this takes place, it could force an international intervention in order to create humanitarian safe zones, as well as to hit at the interests of the regime and its military positions.

    The sources added that it was necessary to pay attention to the dangerous direction of recent incidents and to be on alert to prevent repercussions, especially as some Lebanese areas are sympathetic to different sides of the Syrian conflict.

    This view overlaps with information from an Arab official who said Syria was drawing closer to a civil war and that foreign military intervention would take place at an appropriate time once the international community reaches the decision that President Bashar Assad’s regime must go, a decision that awaits a Russian-U.S. agreement under which Moscow’s interests in the region are protected.
    http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Pol...#axzz1vSFKBKdQ

    Given that Lebanese government is pro-Syrian I believe we may see in coming months also rise of power by Hariri-allied sunni militias in Tripoli and sunni areas. Same goes for Kataeb and LF.

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    Lebanon tense after army kills anti-Assad group members

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...231800,00.html

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    Local leaders in northern Lebanon yesterday threatened to establish a "Free Lebanese Army" after soldiers shot dead two prominent Sunni clerics, an incident that will stoke sectarian strife in a country where tensions are on a knife edge as the conflict in neighbouring Syria spills over.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-7769714.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by EITAN88 View Post
    Local leaders in northern Lebanon yesterday threatened to establish a "Free Lebanese Army" after soldiers shot dead two prominent Sunni clerics, an incident that will stoke sectarian strife in a country where tensions are on a knife edge as the conflict in neighbouring Syria spills over.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-7769714.html
    Three army officers and nineteen soldiers have been detained in connection with this incident. I wonder if the person who shot the sheikh was politically motivated.

    Quote Originally Posted by kalerab View Post
    Border heats up as Syria slides toward civil war



    http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Pol...#axzz1vSFKBKdQ

    Given that Lebanese government is pro-Syrian I believe we may see in coming months also rise of power by Hariri-allied sunni militias in Tripoli and sunni areas. Same goes for Kataeb and LF.
    Do you think the Salafists listen to Hariri?


    Pro- and anti-Syrian government groups also fought each other in Beirut early morning, leaving three people dead. It seems to have been a fight between the Future Movement and the Arab Movement Party (Ba'athists?)

    http://www.yalibnan.com/2012/05/21/3...veral-injured/

    From Al-Jazeera:
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    The clashes in Beirut occurred in the neighbourhood of Tarek Jadidah. Sources said they pitted two Sunni factions against each other - one that opposes Assad against another that is loyal to a Sunni political figure, Shaker Berjawi, who supports the Syrian president. "

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...539939156.html
    Last edited by OrangeWolf; 05-21-2012 at 02:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeWolf View Post
    Do you think the Salafists listen to Hariri?
    Itīs not about Salafi, clan Hariri is allied in Tripoli to all major political and religious figures. With the tensions rising, army under command of Syrian apologists it is only logical that FM wouldnīt want to repeat 2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalerab View Post
    apologists it is only logical that FM wouldnīt want to repeat 2008.
    You mean not repeat defeat? Do you think the youth "gangs" (for lack of a better word) who are fighting pro-Assad groups in Tripoli listen to Hariri? That's a serious question. I bet some are acting on own initiative no matter what Hariri says, but I might be dead wrong.

    Some clerics threatened to establish a "Free Lebanese Army". If you think of it the FM supporters already have guns and rpgs anyway, what makes them different from a militia? The lack of paramilitary organization and heavy weapons? I wonder to which extent their Christian allies accept militia-forming when and if it happens.

    Oh and how many Sunni's support this Shaker Berjawi guy and am I right that the Arab Movement Party = Lebanese Ba'ath?

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    Hold on. What happened to the FSA claims of important people having been assassinated? Western media carrying the story ....... No credibility loss? None?

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    They listen to community leaders who are in alliance with FM and M8 which are controlled by Hariri clan, if the cleric of local mosque will take AK and start shooting towards Jabal Mohsen they will follow just as they did. And if army brokers peace with leaders which in return will tell others to stop fighting they will follow as they did before. Of course, those are militias and nowhere on organization level of Hezbollah but that doesnt mean that they are running around, doing what they want while not giving a damn about what community says. If that was the case, there would have been fighting and armed sunni militias present in Qaa given itīs importance thanks to highway to rebel held Qasyr and battled Homs (and the fact that it is used primary as logistical line to rebels) and much more violence in Tripoli, not three clashes in a year.

    As for sheik Rifai and his fellow Akkar sheiks threats, they are just that. Firstly, who would give them money in order to drag country into civil war? Secondly, Akkar isnīt exactly the most prominent region with great power of local leaders. Personally I donīt think that his threat can even materialize even if he wanted, but that is just mine opinion. As for LF and Kataeb it would depend on actions of those theoretical sunni militias and how would Aoun use it to his advantage, so far sectarian tensions were concentrated between Alawites, Sunnis and letīs say for the sake of argument that even to some extent shias (although not violent), christians were left alone.

    I donīt know nothing about Arab Movement Patry. There is Alawite Arab Democratic Party and there is Arab Socialist Baath Party, maybe you have those in mind. As for Berjawi, sunni which supports Hezies cannot have much support. And frankly I have hard time believing that those were two sunni groups fighting against each other with SSNP and Hezbollah operatives just drinking tea somewhere.

    edit: Just found out more about that Arab Movement you wrote about. Seems as minor political party with no power at all while Berjawi seems to be full of shyt. He claims that hundreds of thousands rounds were shot. In a clash where 2 were killed. Also Hezbies saved his arse when they came rolling in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalerab View Post
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    edit: Just found out more about that Arab Movement you wrote about. Seems as minor political party with no power at all while Berjawi seems to be full of shyt. He claims that hundreds of thousands rounds were shot. In a clash where 2 were killed. Also Hezbies saved his arse when they came rolling in.
    Yeah:

    Barjawi told OTV that “a hundred thousand bullets were shot within hours and four-wheel drive vehicles came from [Saad Hariri’s residence in downtown Beirut] carrying ammunition.”
    http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticl...aspx?ID=399166

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    SEVASTOPOL - The command of the Smetlivy destroyer of the Russian Black Sea Fleet has received orders to continue its combat mission off the coast of Syria as the situation required it, Interfax-AVN was told at the fleet's headquarters.
    "The Smetlivy was due to return to Sevastopol on May 15. However, its commander Captain 2nd rank Viktor Skokov received instructions from the General Staff to continue performing combat tasks in the eastern part of the Mediterranean off the coast of Syria. This was required by the operational situation," a fleet spokesman said.
    He said that at the end of May the destroyer was supposed to give over the watch to the flagship of the fleet, the guided missile cruiser Moskva.
    Quoting navy intelligence, the officer said that the United States, France, Great Britain, Germany and several other countries have significantly built up their naval presence in the Eastern Mediterranean.
    The officer said that the reconnaissance ship Kildin is performing a combat mission in port Tartus, Syria, that hosts a Russian navy support facility, the medium sea tanker Iman and the floating warship PM-138.
    The Smetlivy left Sevastopol on April 1 and arrived in Tartus on April 4 to replenish its stocks of water, food and fuel.
    The destroyer joined the fleet in 1969. It has a displacement of 4460 tonnes and is armed with X-35 Uran anti-ship missiles, AK-726 artillery system, Volna air defense system (16 missiles), 1x5 533-mm torpedo launcher (5 torpedoes) and two RBU-1000 rocket-assisted bomb launcher.
    http://www.kyivpost.com/news/russia/detail/127843/

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    Russia: Forces Unable to Destabilize Syria Turn to Lebanon
    Forces which have failed to implement their plans to destabilize Syria have turned to Lebanon, Russian’s foreign ministry said on Monday.

    "Moscow is seriously concerned by growing internal tensions in Lebanon. It appears that the forces that have failed to realize their plans to destabilize Syria have turned to neighboring Lebanon," the ministry said on its website.

    "They clearly dislike this country's government course aimed at preventing foreign intervention in Syrian affairs and facilitating a swift peaceful settlement in Syria on the basis of Kofi Annan's plan approved by the United Nations Security Council, and the actions of military and security agencies opposing arms smuggling attempts and the trafficking of militants," the ministry said.

    To attain their goals these forces are trying to stoke tensions among various Lebanese political and sectarian forces, the ministry added.

    It called on Lebanese politicians to show restraint and “high patriotic responsibility at this difficult moment for the country and the region.”

    “The Lebanese must not follow the lead of those who would like to sow new seeds of sectarian discord and confusion on their land,” the ministry warned.

    It hoped that the Lebanese government and security agencies, “acting strictly within the law, shall take whatever steps necessary to restore calm in the country and preserve civil peace and unity.”

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    Well that's mixing up action-reaction...

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    Tunisian Islamists join jihad against Syria’s Assad
    BEN GUERDANE, Tunisia, May 15 — The first that Tunisian schoolteacher Moktar Mars heard of his brother fighting alongside rebels in Syria was a phone call from someone on a phone with a foreign number, telling him Houssein was dead.
    “We got an anonymous call telling us he had been martyred,” said Mars, 40, sitting on a mattress along a wall of what was his younger brother’s room, bereft of other belongings. “Just three words. We tried to call back but there was no answer.
    “The last call we got from him in February was from Libya. He said he was there to study ... Then all contact was broken. We tried to call the number he used but there was no answer.”
    Houssein Mars, 34, is one of at least five Tunisians, all from the southeastern town of Ben Guerdane on the border with Libya, who are believed to have been killed in Syria. Two of their families agreed to be interviewed, as did the family of a sixth man, from the same town, whose fate is not known.
    The families either received calls from their sons in Syria or calls from strangers telling them their sons were dead.
    Though the families have seen no corpses or proof of the deaths, a video carrying the black flag of al Qaeda has appeared on Facebook eulogising the five men to a backdrop of Quranic verses, and stating they had been killed in Homs.
    Homs has been at the receiving end of some of the worst bombardment by Bashar al-Assad’s forces.

    Foreign Islamist fighters appear to be a fringe element only in the conflict between assorted Syrian rebel groups and Assad’s armed forces. But the fate of this one band of Tunisian friends offers some of the hardest evidence yet that Syria could become a magnet for the kind of young Muslim men from around the world who once sought jihad and martyrdom in Iraq or Afghanistan.
    At least one young man in Ben Guerdane told ******* he was himself ready to go and fight in Syria.
    The Tunisians’ families say they were simply devout Sunni Muslims anguished by images of civilians suffering at the hands of forces dominated by Assad’s minority Alawites, whom many Arabs see as waging sectarian war on Syria’s Sunni majority.
    “What we see on television cannot make any Muslim happy ... An army killing its people. No one can accept this,” said Moktar Mars, adding that because his brother and others wore beards and prayed often did not make them militant Islamists.
    “There are bearded, religious people but that does not mean they are extremists,” he added. “If you saw these boys you would be surprised if they killed a fly.”
    The Syrian list of captured fighters suggests men from all over Tunisia have gone to fight in Syria. However, the Facebook video eulogising the dead quotes Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the late Jordanian leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, praising the bravery of men from Ben Guerdane in particular. That suggests the town had a history of sending volunteers to the Iraqi conflict too.
    Residents of Ben Guerdane, which lives off trade and smuggling with Libya and where outward displays of religious fervour have spread since the Tunisian revolt last year ousted secular leader Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali, say more youths may have quietly slipped away to join rebels fighting to overthrow Assad.
    “There are some youths who are going to Syria via Ben Guerdane,” said a security source in the town. “They are religious. We think they are from Salafi Islamist currents but it is not certain. What we know is that more than 10 left from here.”
    ....
    The families of the men from Ben Guerdane say they were devout Sunni Muslims who spent much time in prayer.
    At least two of them, including Houssein Mars, had spent time in jail under the ousted president Ben Ali charged with alleged links to Islamist radicals, their families say.
    At least one, 26-year-old Mohammed Lafi, was jailed after trying, and failing, to slip into Iraq via Syria, his family says. He then went to Algeria, where he was arrested and sent back to Tunisia. Jailed for three years, he was freed in 2010.
    The men had spoken to relatives about their desire for jihad, or holy war, and to die as martyrs but had said nothing specific, it seems, before making their way to Syria.
    Walid Hilal has been missing since February 24, when he told his family he was going to the capital for a kung fu tournament. The 21-year-old had taken up the sport a year before and appears mid-kick in the Facebook eulogy, in a red martial arts outfit.
    “My son is a martyr,” said his mother Mabrouka, sitting beside her husband and other sons on a couch. “He did nothing wrong and I’m not worried about him. He used to say ‘I’ll go to jihad and you mustn’t cry’ but I didn’t take him seriously.”
    Walid’s mobile phone has been off since he left. Like the Mars family, the Hilals received a mysterious call from someone using a Syrian number on April 17 telling them Walid had become a “martyr”.
    “After two days, when he was not answering the phone, we found out his friends had gone too, and their phones were off too,” said his brother Taher Hilal.
    “We realised something was happening and we heard that some of them called their parents from Turkey to say they were going to Syria, but our brother did not call.
    “All we know is he was martyred, but how and why? We have no pictures and no proof.”
    The families say their sons were not involved with political parties, but followed the news in Syria, where some 12,000 people are estimated to have been killed since March 2011.
    “He liked to pray and fast,” Lafi’s mother Masouda said, wiping away tears with a colourful headscarf. “Since he was a child, he was into religion. He always wanted martyrdom.”
    Unlike the Hilal and Mars families, the Lafis received no mysterious phone call but their eldest son last rang his brother from a phone with a Syrian number.
    For all their grief, relatives in Ben Guerdane defended the impulse that prompted their sons and brothers to head for Syria — though some said there was a less clear case for jihad there than against foreign invaders in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    “If there was a real jihad, don’t imagine a single Muslim would not go,” said Moktar Mars, who also wears the beard typical of Islamist sympathisers. “If it was a jihad against Israel. But in Syria you may have to fight other Muslims.”

    Now, the families want help to confirm the deaths, but have little expectation of recovering the bodies. And even as they mourn, others in town contemplate following the lead of their sons.
    One man, who would speak only if he were not named, already sported the long beard and Afghan-style dress that is common among jihadist guerrillas, and said he was hoping to get to Syria, even though his wife had just given birth to a daughter.
    Aged about 30, the man, who knew at least one of those killed in Syria well, said he was ready to follow: “I would like to go to Syria,” he said. “God willing, if it works out.” — *******
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siberian wolf View Post
    Tunisian Islamists join jihad against Syria’s Assad

    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/w...-syrias-assad/
    More "good guys" joining the "good guys" party in Syria.

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