Not surprising...regimes always love to have their dirty work done by militias who can be a point of deniability.
Why is this so hard a concept to accept though? Its like saying the Janjaweed was an independent.
Syria was master in this game through diverse proxy militias in Lebanon and through terror groups she supported. But in this case, Syria will have hard time to deny her responsibility because the Shabiah is a militia of the Baath party and is commanded by Assad's brother in law.Originally Posted by IconOfEvi
Assad is likely having to turn to some very unsavory characters to stay in power, men without morals or scruples about killing in cold blood. The type of men who are killed off as soon as the revolution dies out. I have a feeling the men responsible for this massacre and increasing the pressure on Assad will not live very long lives.
More casualties today.
A TOTAL of 98 people, including 61 civilians, have been killed in violence in Syria on Tuesday, as clashes raged between regime troops and rebels.
The high daily toll also included 28 government troops and nine rebel fighters, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said, as the country descends towards civil war.
This figure included the latest "massacre", in which 13 civilians died in the north-west Deir region, the London-based observatory's head Rami Abdul Rahman told AFP by telephone.
The victims "were executed with a bullet in the head, according to first reports from the region", he said, urging UN observers on the ground to probe the alleged atrocity and identify the perpetrators.
People know deep down that what happened is exactly the way the UN observers described it.
Saving face is another matter.
http://m.smh.com.au/opinion/politics...529-1zh9e.html
Single events shape history.
On the former point, you're saying Assad hasn't turned to unsavory characters? He is one himself! Remember, he's a Baath, like his father before him.
On the second...perhaps. But he needs all the support he can muster at this point.
And Kilgor, that indeed seems to be the issue. But for certain countries positions like Russia...to whom?
You people are nuts, you take everything at face value. Do you not remember the demonisation of the Serbs; no-one doubts that they commited war-crimes, yet the Media and NATO governments, UN, etc... completely ignored similar warcrimes commited by the Bosniaks, Croatians and Kosovans - and simply pinned everything on the Serbs.
"Saving face"... pah! You are fools and I know that time will vindicate my views; long after the whole country has been broken up and the embers have cooled down, some more elements of the truth will quietly make themselves known.
Whilst what you say is true there are but a couple things;
Firstly not every Man has the same courage, and judging others just because some of us were better equipped to deal with it is questionable at best.... Especially when it is something he will likely have to live his entire life reflecting upon, not needing our judgement....
Secondly, whilst similar it is probable that most no one here has walked the walk that this man did given that they literally killed everyone.... If someone has found themself in a similar situation and stepped up to the mark and subsequently survived then they found themselves in a situation where luck/fate/mercy intervened and saved them and it does not seem fair to suggest that the intervention of any of these is likely in most cases.... (I realise what I said is fragmented but I hope it makes sense) In the end, a quote I was once told which I increasingly believe is 'be nice to everyone you meet, because everyone is fighting their own battles'... I acknowledge I could well be wrong but I often consider most all situations to be unique and the equipment we go in with personally (Physical, Psychological) is far from equal
None the less RIP to all who died and to those who lost....
At end of the day, I see it like this.
The brutality of the Assad clan against his own people has backfired and blown up in his face and allowed outside actors to exploit the power vacuum. But the fact remains, he and his proxies has committed ghastly crimes against his own people. Nothing will change that. Of course opposition groups have committed other crimes... no one disputes that.
The old methods of state terror aren't working. Get over it.
I know that the end of the day that Assad will be revealed to be a butchering arsehole. Its what comes next after hes gone.... It might be much worse.
(Btw, this massacre is the standard sadistic sh1t the Nazis got up to. I doubt you would be so dismissive of Soviet victims of such injustice.)
The French President Francois Hollande does not exclude military intervention in Syria.
http://tinyurl.com/bqollmpFrench President Francois Hollande said on Tuesday, May 29, 2012, he would try to convince Russia's Vladimir Putin to back Security Council sanctions against Syria, and said military action could be possible but only if it was backed by a UN resolution.
Iran blames Israel for ongoing violence in Syria
By JPOST.COM STAFF
05/30/2012 07:26
Tehran says J'lem deliberately sabotaging Annan peace plan for Syria, adds: "Any crime committed can be traced back to [Israel]."
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Speaking at a weekly press conference, Iran's Foreign Ministry Spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast stated: "Any crime committed (in Syria) can be traced back to the (Israeli) regime's hirelings."
Mehmanparast touted the UN-Arab League Annan plan to end the bloodshed in Syria, calling it the only way to settle the ongoing crisis, but blamed Israel for deliberately sabotaging the plan. "We palpably feel the Zionist regime's hand in Syria's internal developments," Mehmanparast said, adding that "The Zionist regime's backers aspire to the failure of Annan's plan."
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=271966
1 - as do you, just merely the other side's
2 - I roughly do (I was a newspaper delivery boy), and I remember well that the crimes committed by the others were not ignored at all. Clinton got blasted for the Yugoslav wars and the breakups, among tons of scandals every other day (Chinagate, etc), and it was a huge factor denting support in foreign policy...though truth be told, the 90s might as well have been called our "Decade of Ignorance". But here we come to an essential problem - Russia views everything through her lenses. Every civil war is the Yugoslav Wars, or the breakup of the USSR. Everything must be a reactionary force to keep the old order. NOT every situation is similar to the Slavs. Many are so as many are not. This is not one of those in my opinion.
1 - Pah? Really now? Really?"Saving face"... pah! You are fools and I know that time will vindicate my views; long after the whole country has been broken up and the embers have cooled down, some more elements of the truth will quietly make themselves known.
2 - many would say you and the others thinking like you are the fools.
3 - so how many of your forecasts have panned to be true
4 - what if/when time does NOT vindicate you or your vision
5 - what if/when the truth comes, it was not with you, but with our camp?
I am not saying you are completely, beyond the pale wrong. Elements of what you say may and indeed could pass. Hell, everything you say could. But the problem is is that if we in the US learned the wrong lessons from the 90s, then you in USSR/Russia also did as well.
Yeah, and they learned from the best of them. Syria harbored and employed Nazi war criminal Alois Brunner so their intelligence agencies could learn torture techniques and sick sh!t like that. Kind of gives you a tiny idea of what the Assad's are capable of when they hire a guy that gassed over 100,000 people to sharpen up their repression skills.
Cause running out like a hero and getting shot himself is such a bright idea.I am sorry if the children had such a father. He is either a liar or a coward.Sorry themacedonian, not everyone is as brave as you. Some don't necessarily believe in an after life or think "omg, I wanna be with my kids" the moment things like that are happening. That doesn't make him a terrible father, that makes him a human being. I think the majority of people would be stricken with fear and not know how to react. He'll probably be overwhelmed with grief and hatred for the rest of his life, pick up a gun and die fighting because he has nothing left like this guy who just had his brothers killed:
The more I follow this news, the more it sounds like a Civil War in Hell : no good sides.
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