You are the one that is too eager to ignore the nature of the regime to which these weapons are delivered and the crimes that are comminted there... This not an acceptable way to fight rebels even if they were all Islamists.
Even spokesmen for the Air Force Intelligence Directorate has said themselves that they're holding family members of known opposition figures. The last case I read about was an entire family with grandparents, mother's and infants. I'm pretty sure they're going to be executed and dumped just like happens every single day.
Now, the choppers, like the artillery, may not be "primarily meant to attack civilians" but in the way they are emplyed, they do it in an inacceptable proportion.
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You may argue about the interests of Russia to support its ally, but you can't deny the terrorist nature of his regime and of his actions.
Assad created the monster that is now the armed opposition because of his policies.
Opinions and perceptions could be discussed. Proven facts should not be.
1/ Nothing in my arguments on the topic we are discussing was related to Israel's interests, and I did not mention Hezbollah.You are the one that's arguing based on the interests of Israel (defanging the Hezzys), which is a noble course BTW, but ignoring every other aspect of the issue isn't in everyone's best interest.
2/ As you brought the Hezzies to the discussion, you should know this terror group killed hundreds of French people and hundreds of Americains, besides killing Israelis and people of other nationalities...
Providing weapons to this terror group is illegal following a UNSCR and Hezbollah has to be disarmed following a UNSCR.
In the best case, you ignored these facts. In the worst one, you may think the Hezzis are "acceptable" terrorists, because they support Assad.
Here comes the argument: "the others do it too".And yea, opposition never murders, or torturer or kidnaps right?
There are fractions of the opposition that do too indeed, to an unclear extent. But whatever this extent might be, it does not legitimize, and can not legitimize, a state policy like the one that is applied by Assad's regime nor the extent to which it is applied.
That's why I was arguing months ago for international intervention. The only way to end well this conflict was to topple Assad as quick as possible.
We saw the MB and AQ joigning the fight. More time passes, more atrocities will occur and more people will be radicalized.
I'm not oblivious of Hezzys rap-sheet over the years, neither am I oblivious of the rap-sheet of AQ and their likes. I won't substitute one for the other. Plenty of pundits and experts are concerned about the opposition and it's composition and many fear that what comes after Assad could indeed be worse. They are not all paid by Assad or the Russians. You tend to be very selective of your "facts" while you accuse me of ignoring them. Furthermore, I find your your talk of me regarding Hezbola as "acceptable" terrorists (because they support Assad) quite offensive.
Since, I don't want to get banned going tit for tat with you, I won't bother replying your comments henceforth and I hope you'll do the same.
I hate whats happening to innocent People in Syria, its messed up.. But I see a high likelyhood that there are innocent People on all sides and that its not my place at all as a foreigner to dictate what goes on there... Whoever wins this I suspect will likely act out against the vanquished, certain groups will probably flee en masse and its just going to be messy no matter what happens..
Only those with a stake in the game will seriously place bets with either side and then its certainly not a moral choice but a mixture of geopolitical/trade/religious-cultural one....
Granted I definitely agree with you that as the conflict goes on its only going to get more savage, thats an eventuality of most conflicts of internal/sectarian nature crimes cause more crimes...
But if these Rebels are not careful they are only going to incite their opponents to fight twice as hard to win and further encourage nations whom are already skeptical of them that they were right
Do you have a link to sustain your claim?
So how the Hezzies were relevant to the topic? Why did you brought them to the discussion?I'm not oblivious of Hezzys rap-sheet over the years, neither am I oblivious of the rap-sheet of AQ and their likes. I won't substitute one for the other.
This is another topic, and it has nothing to do with the choppers and the war crimes that are commited by Assad.Plenty of pundits and experts are concerned about the opposition and it's composition and many fear that what comes after Assad could indeed be worse. They are not all paid by Assad or the Russians.
Really? Which ones?You tend to be very selective of your "facts" while you accuse me of ignoring them.
It wasn't offensive in any way.Furthermore, I find your your talk of me regarding Hezbola as "acceptable" terrorists (because they support Assad) quite offensive.
There were only ways IMO to interpret your Hezzbollah/Israel argumentation in the context of your last posts. I detailed both of them: either you ignored facts either you considered this terror group as legitime, for a reason I presumed (support to Assad).
If there was as third one and you meant something else... Please elaborate.
Why "banned"? Am I a mod?Since, I don't want to get banned going tit for tat with you, I won't bother replying your comments henceforth and I hope you'll do the same.
IMHO you are out of arguments: no "facts" to remind (on which I was allegedly selective) nor else to say.
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