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    As a Franco-lebanese i hope he gets a trial to show to all the lebanese who he is really because i think some have forgotten what he did to the country and to expose also the iranian-syrian-hezbollah-aoun-berri-jibril-ssnp and more axis

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    double post sorry

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    And so today’s strings of wanton murders, ****** assaults, torture, arbitrary detentions, targeted bombings and destruction of neighborhoods—and what they entail in terms of displacements, deportations and population movements—are nothing if not the groundwork of a future Alawite entity; the grafting of new facts on the ground and the drafting of new frontiers. No longer able to rule in the name of Arab unity (and in the process preserve their own ethnic and sectarian autonomy), the Alawites may retreat into the Levantine highlands overlooking the Mediterranean. The area in question is a sanctuary that the Alawites called home for centuries and which the French helped them create and protect as an autonomous “ethnic state” during the first half of the twentieth century.
    By no means will the population of this new Alawite state be homogeneous, but its Alawite element will be an overwhelming majority that is well prepared to stand up and be counted. What’s more, the largely Christian coastal regions of Tartous and Latakia have remained “neutral” throughout the uprisings—and have in effect signaled (even if tacitly) their acquiescence in an Alawite-dominated state. Furthermore, the buffer zones of Masyaf and Cadmus to the east are home to a large Ismaili community, which has thus far remained loyal to the Alawites. Heading northeast, beyond the Turko-Syrian border town of Idlib, the Syrian branch of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) seems to have already begun establishing the foundations of autonomous rule, with Alawite blessings and encouragement. Though its industrial resources are quite limited, this projected Alawite region benefits from a well-developed infrastructure, rich arable highlands, fertile coastal plains, abundant water sources, Syria’s only deep-water harbors—Tartous and Latakia—and an international airport that would make an emerging state self-sufficient and supremely defensible.
    http://nationalinterest.org/commenta...ate-syria-7173

    Basically this future Alawite state will be a carbon copy of Israel:

    1) Prosecuted for centuries Middle Eastern minority fighting for its survival: Jews/Alawites - check
    2) Natural border protecting both states : mountains (Alawites) , Jordan river (Jews)
    3) Two major sea ports and 1 international airport secured within borders - check
    4) Judgment day WMD to ensure survival : chemical weapons (Alawites) , nukes (Jews) - check
    5) Political umbrella of major World powers : Russia, China (Alawites), US, Europe (Jews) - check


    The resemblance is striking

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    Quote Originally Posted by dinalt View Post
    Basically this future Alawite state will be a carbon copy of Israel:

    The resemblance is striking
    So in this new Alawite state they are going to switch to a parliamentary system of democracy?

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    And develop a modern, vibrant economy with a high standard of living. Oh the horror.

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    Russia Warns It Will Not Back Britain on Syria Sanctions


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    Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov of
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    made clear on Monday that the Kremlin has no intention of supporting a British proposal to enact United Nations
    sanctions as a solution to the Syrian crisis.Mr. Lavrov characterized Western foreign policy in Syria
    as naďve and dangerous and said it failed to take into account the vulnerability of Christian and Muslim religious minorities and the presence of terrorists among the armed opposition.Persuading Russia to take a harder line on Syria is "not the key" to finding peace, he said in comments to journalists at the Foreign Ministry before a meeting with Kofi Annan, the United Nations and Arab League special envoy on Syria.The pressure on Russia from the West has "elements of blackmail" ahead of a vote in the Security Council later this week on extending the mission of United Nations observers, Mr. Lavrov said.A Western-backed British proposal would link the extension of this mission with an ultimatum to President Bashar al-Assad to withdraw heavy weapons from populated areas or face economic sanctions. The British proposal would invoke Chapter 7 of the United Nations Charter, which empowers the Security Council to enforce its demands with economic sanctions, and, if deemed necessary, military action. "To our great regret, there are elements of blackmail," Mr. Lavrov said. "We are being told: if you do not agree to the resolution under Chapter 7 of the U.N. Charter, then we shall refuse to extend the mandate of the monitoring mission in this country.""We consider it an absolutely counterproductive and dangerous approach since it is unacceptable to use observers as bargaining chips," he said.Mr. Lavrov’s statement suggested that there was little room for Russia to shift its position closer to the British-backed resolution. Russia has a competing proposal: to extend the military observer mission under a slightly broader mandate, allowing it some political role.The United Nations observers over the weekend investigated violence in a farming community, Tremseh, which Syrian opposition groups had characterized as a massacre. Mr. Lavrov, questioned about the incident, said the observers found signs both the military and the opposition were armed and fought in the village.In such conditions, Mr. Lavrov said, Russia is not the "key" to resolving the Syrian crisis. The Kremlin’s influence stops short of being able to persuade Mr. Assad to declare a cease-fire with no corresponding agreement by the opposition.Western nations have a role, too, Mr. Lavrov said, in exerting what influence they have on the Free Syrian Army, the main armed insurgent group, to halt the fighting."Any violence deserves condemnation. But condemnation alone will not suffice. Pressure should be put on the regime and on the opposition in order to end the violence there," he said.Mr. Annan will meet on Tuesday with Russian President Vladimir V. Putin. He is visiting Russia as the United Nations secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, is on a mission to China to ask for support from Beijing on stronger action in Syria. The mandate for the U.N. observers expires on Friday.Mr. Lavrov’s comments made clear that Russia is unlikely to compromise. "If our partners decide to block our resolution at any cost, the U.N. mission will not have a mandate and will have to leave Syria," he said. "That would be lamentable."He also expressed concern for the fate of minorities, including Orthodox Christians, in Syria if a principally Sunni Muslim opposition comes to power. Orthodox churches in both countries maintain close ties.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/17/wo...r=1&ref=europe

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    • Major-General Adnan Sillu, the former head of Syria's chemical weapons programme, has reportedly defected. Sillu is said to have taken up a post as head of the joint military leadership of the FSA.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...ive?CMP=twt_gu

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    Syria: Fierce fighting in Damascus - interactive

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/inte...us-interactive

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    Wikileaks reveals Syria's security forces communication network was likely produced by european companies.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...b4c9857e86fb3f

    As violence began racing through Syria last year, two European contractors were putting the finishing touches on an encrypted radio system that Syrian officials intended for their security forces, according to leaked company emails and three senior employees involved in the project.

    The documents — made available to The Associated Press and other media organizations by the WikiLeaks organization — show that Greece's Intracom S.A. and Italy's Selex Elsag spent years building a Syria-wide communications network and equipped the government with thousands of walkie-talkies, motorcycle-mounted radio units and avionic transceivers used in helicopters.

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    War comes to Damascus in Syria revolt 'turning point'

    Syria's military deployed armoured vehicles near central Damascus on Monday as troops battled rebels around the capital in what activists said could be a turning point in the 16-month uprising.

    Russia meanwhile slammed as "blackmail" Western pressure to push for a UN Security Council resolution against Syria's regime and said it would be "unrealistic" for its ally President Bashar al-Assad to quit.

    With battles raging between the army and rebels around Damascus -- the nerve centre of the regime -- for a second straight day, troops deployed armoured vehicles near the historic neighbourhood of Al-Midan.

    "This is the first time that armoured and military transport vehicles are deployed in Al-Midan," Rami Abdel Rahman of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights told AFP in Beirut.

    "When there is fighting in the capital for several hours, even days, and troops are unable to control the situation, that proves the regime's weakness," said the director of the Britain-based monitoring group.

    An activist on the ground, identifying himself as Abu Musab, said the army was trying to overrun Al-Midan and described the fighting as a "turning point" in the revolt against Assad's autocratic regime.

    Activists said the army and Free Syrian Army rebels had also been locked in fierce clashes since Sunday in the southern Damascus neighbourhood of Tadamon, Kfar Sousa in the west and Jobar in the east.

    They said the clashes were the worst in the capital since the start of the uprising in March 2011.

    The authorities vowed on Monday they would not surrender the capital. "You will never get Damascus," read the headline in Al-Watan newspaper, which is close to the regime.

    "Security forces, backed by the army, have for the past 48 hours been attacking the terrorist groups as they try to pull back to districts on the outskirts," the paper said.

    A resident of nearby Jaramana said the area was like a "war zone."

    Activists said residents were fleeing Tadamon, with many seeking shelter in the nearby Yarmuk Palestinian refugee camp, as the opposition Syrian National Council accused the regime of transforming Damascus into "battlefields."

    http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/afp/w...g-point/530917

    So much for Damascene tranquility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IconOfEvi View Post
    Good, I hope that little bastard quakes with at least a fraction of the terror he and his father have meted out over their lives.

    I hope he goes as violently as Quadaffi did. Hanging like his fellow Baathist Saddam is just letting him off the hook.
    You have some serious issues. Stick to hentai and anime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geolocator View Post
    Do you know what is strange? I didn't find anything about serious clashes in suburbs in Syrian pro-government sources. They give a lot of reports about clashes in details, but nothing about Damascus suburbs there.
    Not strange at all. Dictatorships report only what suits them and none of their reports is reliable.

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    When the Watan make his front page"Damascus you will never take it "i think the regime admit that serious clashes are going on furthermore when smoke is rising from shelling you can't deny that fighting is happening.
    On the news activist on the net report that fighting spread to the qaboun neighbourhood.


    A Syrian army defector said that the rebels controlled 60 per cent of the country and that all they needed was limited military intervention from NATO to help them topple President Bashar Assad, a pan-Arab daily newspaper reported on Monday.
    "All we need from NATO are two air attacks on the presidential palace to topple the regime and we will be able to control all the Syrian cities," Major General Adnan Salo, who is a former head of the chemical weapons unit in the Syrian army, told Asharq al-Awsat
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-e...ntion-1.451432
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    Quote Originally Posted by yves View Post
    As a Franco-lebanese i hope he gets a trial to show to all the lebanese who he is really because i think some have forgotten what he did to the country and to expose also the iranian-syrian-hezbollah-aoun-berri-jibril-ssnp and more axis
    well said.

    Quote Originally Posted by IconOfEvi View Post
    Good, I hope that little bastard quakes with at least a fraction of the terror he and his father have meted out over their lives.

    I hope he goes as violently as Quadaffi did. Hanging like his fellow Baathist Saddam is just letting him off the hook.
    And this makes you a better person than him............Democracies can be build when you have a justice system, you fair trial people. Assination is the way to ensure you are not going to have a real democracy. You should review your POV.

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    The most senior Syrian politician to defect to the opposition has told the BBC the regime will not hesitate to use chemical weapons if it is cornered.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18864629

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