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    Quote Originally Posted by kurdman View Post
    Some Assyrians have joined the Kurdish movement. I asked my Assyrian side of the family, and in their view Kurds are their best choice (but they may be bias because they are pretty much pro-Kurd)
    Interesting you mention that, any of their (your) relatives from that side engaged in the war? Or for that matter, your Kurdish side as well?

    I'd imagine at least quite a few clan members are or are preparing to fight? Any in the Kurdish force on the Iraqi side?

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    If Obama had some balls ( he's the only one with enough power to pull it out ), he would give Assad US support and guarantees of Alawites and other minorities survival for the cost of cutting ties with Iran.

    Pros:

    1) finally an end of bloodshed
    2) Iran is isolated
    3) WMD are secured within Alawite borders
    4) orderly transfer of power to Kurds and Sunnis

    Cons:

    1) US Sunni 'friends' ( Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey ) will be probably pissed off in a short term, in a long term they'll benefit from the deal too. SA and Qatar gets its arch-enemy Iran isolated. Turkey will finality enjoy from stability on its border. Syrian refugees could return home.

    The same method worked for US-USSR . USSR was dissolved, but instead of WMD falling in the wrong hands , it was orderly transferred to Russia.

    I don't buy 'Sunnis will be massacred in the future Alawite state'. Sunnis living in Latakia or Tartus didn't joined the riots ( apart of some retarded Palestinians who tried this **** during Ramadan ) , so Sunnis will stay and live like all those 30+ years under Alawi rule.

    On the other hand, I have no doubts that Alawis and Christians will be expelled from the future Sunni state. Sunnis, contrary to Alawis or Kurds, don't have a leading force to form a state. In a state of chaos and fight for a power , Sunni radicals like Salafis will certainly harass any infidels they would find, leading to mass expulsions.

    Check out what happened to Christians in Homs: out of 80'000 barely a hundred stayed in the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dinalt View Post
    If Obama had some balls ( he's the only one with enough power to pull it out ), he would give Assad US support and guarantees of Alawites and other minorities survival for the cost of cutting ties with Iran.

    Pros:

    1) finally an end of bloodshed
    2) Iran is isolated
    3) WMD are secured within Alawite borders
    4) orderly transfer of power to Kurds and Sunnis

    Cons:

    1) US Sunni 'friends' ( Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey ) will be probably pissed off in a short term, in a long term they'll benefit from the deal too. SA and Qatar gets its arch-enemy Iran isolated. Turkey will finality enjoy from stability on its border. Syrian refugees could return home.

    The same method worked for US-USSR . USSR was dissolved, but instead of WMD falling in the wrong hands , it was orderly transferred to Russia.

    I don't buy 'Sunnis will be massacred in the future Alawite state'. Sunnis living in Latakia or Tartus didn't joined the riots ( apart of some retarded Palestinians who tried this **** during Ramadan ) , so Sunnis will stay and live like all those 30+ years under Alawi rule.

    On the other hand, I have no doubts that Alawis and Christians will be expelled from the future Sunni state. Sunnis, contrary to Alawis or Kurds, don't have a leading force to form a state. In a state of chaos and fight for a power , Sunni radicals like Salafis will certainly harass any infidels they would find, leading to mass expulsions.

    Check out what happened to Christians in Homs: out of 80'000 barely a hundred stayed in the city.
    Never going to happen. The regime has already massacred tens of thousands of Sunni's. What makes you think a hypothetical Alawite state should be entrusted with WMD's?

    An Urgent Effort To Organize Syria's Rebels

    The battle for Syria appears to have reached a decisive stage. Tanks are on the streets of Damascus as civilians flee the city, and rebels have seized outposts on the borders with Turkey and Iraq.

    The opposition has shown a surprising military capability over the past few days. As fighting intensifies in the Syrian capital, there's an urgent push under way to organize the rebel force.


    Lt. Gen. Faiz Amro, speaking by phone from a camp on the Turkish border for top Syrian military defectors, says there's been a shakeup in the command of the Free Syrian Army. He says 20 senior officers have formed a new military council.


    The Muslim Brotherhood, which has become a dominant force in Syria's fragmented opposition, agrees that a military reorganization is needed now.


    "What's important is that the people are talking to each other," says Molhelm al-Drobi is a member of the Brotherhood's leadership. "Outside moderators are trying to play [a] role to unify the officers under one umbrella."


    Rebel commanders confirm unity talks have accelerated during the past few days, and many say a unified command is crucial.


    One rebel, Abu Amar, says the Free Syrian Army has been an army in name only, expressing the frustration many fighters inside Syria have with officers outside. "We don't take any order from them, we don't listen to them, and actually we don't have any real communication with them," he says.
    http://www.npr.org/2012/07/21/157154...sc=tw&cc=share

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    Any information available about the number of Russian and Chinese citizen in Syria ?

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    IRGC rejects reports about death of Quds Force commander

    http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/0...leimani-death/

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    Quote Originally Posted by utelore View Post
    would you discount the possibility that Maher is running things in tandem with his brother. Meaning one is the mouth peace and the other is the military shot caller.
    I dont doubt that Maher is firm part of decision making circle, however whole Syrian state security reponse during uprising bears more Bashar approach than Maher ruthlessness. At the beginning Bashar could´ve chosen between Jordanian (recall all security units, promise of reforms, economical concessions) and Bahraini respons (crackdown). Instead he chose combination of both what completely backfired. Protests erupted in poor parts of Syria and by than Bashar still had a lot of support even between opponents of regime who blamed all wrong-doings on old circle around him. Instead of making example from, for example, police commander in Daraa where those kids were tortured, maybe replacing government and economical support for cities with biggest opposition he on one hand made vague promise about reforms and also cracked down on those cities with just enough force to piss everyone off, but not enough to intimidate whole country. Later armed forces only responded on rebel activity, never taking first steps, never going after logistical lines of rebels and if so with little to no success. Cracking down on cities had been even more pathetic, shelling areas from distance with weak incursions, once against just enough to turn everyone in those districts against him, yet not damage rebels firepower. All that shows high level of incompetency. Even several Alawites now say that Bashar should step down and Maher should take command. Unlike Bashar, Maher is what was his father and uncle. However right now it is too little, too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinJ View Post
    Any information available about the number of Russian and Chinese citizen in Syria ?
    It seems there are 100,000 Russian nationals living in Syria. For the Chinese, I don't know

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    Syrian activists claim Assad’s forces used ‘toxic gas’ against civilians

    Syrian activists from the city of Deir Ezzour have circulated a video on the internet of children they said were victims of toxic gas attacks by regime forces amid growing international concern about the country’s stockpiles of chemical weapons.

    The activists reported cases of asphyxia due to what they said was toxic gas released by regime forces in the town on Friday.


    The anti-regime activists also published a video explaining to people how to make masks that will protect them from airborne toxic gases. The mask forms a sealed cover over the nose and the mouth and also provides cover for the eyes.

    On Monday, Nawaf Fares, who defected from his post as Syrian ambassador to Iraq, said in an interview with the BBC that he was “convinced” that Assad would draw on his stocks if cornered, according to AFP.


    His comments were backed up by members of the rebel Syrian Free Army.


    A few days earlier, the Wall Street Journal said that intelligence reports suggested some chemical weapons were on the move, although the reasons were unclear.
    http://english.alarabiya.net/article...21/227615.html

    There's a video also. I hope to god this isn't true.

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    Well chemical weapons worked for Saddam right next door so it is hardly impossible the Assads are willing to use them. Chemical weapons are very effective against irregulars (and civilians) with little or no protective gear, particularly the modern nastier stuff. However using them is really a final line to cross, a "Death or Glory" moment for the regime for should they fail it will be hard to find anyone (even the usual suspects) willing to house them in exile no matter how much they have stolen from the Syrian treasury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gresh View Post
    http://english.alarabiya.net/article...21/227615.html

    There's a video also. I hope to god this isn't true.
    What kind of gas only affects children?

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    Quote Originally Posted by my name again View Post
    What kind of gas only affects children?
    Who knows what happened. I hope it's BS.

    Bashar al-Assad has amassed fortune of up to £950m, analysts estimate

    Syrian president's assets are thought to be held in Russia, Hong Kong and offshore tax havens to spread risk of seizure

    The Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, has amassed up to $1.5bn (£950m) for his family and his close associates, according to analysts, despite moves in London, Switzerland and the US to freeze the assets of his regime.

    Many of Assad's assets are held in Russia, Hong Kong and a range of offshore tax havens to spread the risk of seizure, according to London-based business intelligence firm Alaco.


    A myriad of companies and trusts are understood to have been deployed to disguise assets that ultimately belong to members of the Syrian regime.


    Iain Willis, the head of research at Alaco, said the millions of pounds frozen in UK bank accounts make up just a fraction of the regime's estimated global wealth.


    In peacetime, the Assads and their close friends owned around 60% to 70% of the country's assets, from land and factories to energy plants and licences to sell foreign goods. But Assad would find it difficult to liquidate such assets in the event of his regime's collapse.


    "In terms of realisable assets, it's likely to be in the region of $1bn to $1.5bn (£636m to £950m)," said Willis. "This would be in line with Egypt's Mubarak and the Marcoses of the Philippines.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...d-950m-fortune

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    TURKEY, (SANA) – A group of around 150 militants from Arab, Islamic and African countries are being stationed as of Saturday at Bab al-Hawa border crossing point between Syria and Turkey which was closed off by Syria since June 2011, in full sight of the Turkish authorities.

    According to a photographer from Agence France Presse (AFP), around 150 militants from Algeria, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, France, Chechnya, Tunisia and some African countries are stationed on the crossing point.

    He reported that a number of the militants said that they belong to Taliban, while others said they're members of Al Qaeda's branches in Maghreb countries, adding that the militants are armed with AK-47 rifles, RPG launchers, and handmade mines.
    They seized a closed post and they are not FSA somehow controlled by Turkey. Please tell me, they're rebels or terrorists?
    It seems Assad makes "gifts" to Turkey.

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    I hope Assad's CW will not serve. But with the concerns over them being increasing, it is not normal for this issue to become a problem that is exclusive to the US, Israel, Jordan...
    I think it is necessary for Russia to bare some responsibility too. Playing the "niet" man in the UNSC won't leverage Russia's political standing, if Putin does not adopt an immediate cooperation with the concerned countries to guarantee Syria's WMDs will remain under control and will not be used in the conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geolocator View Post
    They seized a closed post and they are not FSA somehow controlled by Turkey. Please tell me, they're rebels or terrorists?
    Taliban? Cool story, bro. SANA is full of sh!t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    I hope Assad's CW will not serve.
    You can't see the main problem - Assad can simply allow it to come into rebels hand, surely that will be uncontrolled rebels. Russia already offered to speak with Assad to control it. Now the West is fully responsible for a possible chaos and CW insecurity. Russia will not take any responsibilty for the chaos, you can be sure. This is the West's problem and the West created it. Why should Russia do it?

    Quote Originally Posted by gresh View Post
    Taliban? Cool story, bro. SANA is full of sh!t.
    According to a photographer from Agence France Presse (AFP)

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