Reply With QuoteWell I'm not just talking about the Isreal. Israel government is doing what he can in it's geopolitical possision is like between Scylla and Charybdis. You just can made a move without sacrificing something.Originally Posted by Impartial Bias
Oh trust me they are, low level terrorist and insurgency will never be any threat to Israel's existence as a nation, despite what you are seeing on TV about Israel pissing off about suicide bombers like it is the end of the world for them. In fact, I would say Israel is probably the only nation that lives on constant low level insurgency threat and have adopted to it.
The only threat that Israel is afraid of organized nation states that launch traditional military attack against it, because only this can the true threat to Israel's existence, that's why you see them have so much beef with Iran, because after the destruction of Syria as a nation state for the next half century, Iran is the only threat.
Iraq has been pacified by Americans, and their infighting will dominate their society for a long time to come. Saudi's corrupt regime is under US's protection so they won't do anything foolish. Israel can always go into Lebanon every few years and wrack it to make sure they stay in the stone ages, as show in the 2006 Lebanon War with Israel's obsession of targeting infrastructure.
So yeah... that pretty much leaves Iran as the only real threat... although maybe a hostile Egypt in the far future might became something even worse, oh and btw, Israel was very much against the down fall of Mubarak.
Yes sir... all is going according to play, Iran... you are next!!!!
Don't mind me, I'm going to pop a popcorn, get a beer and sit back and enjoy the show.
Well I'm not just talking about the Isreal. Israel government is doing what he can in it's geopolitical possision is like between Scylla and Charybdis. You just can made a move without sacrificing something.
Are you serious? Does that count for Hamas & Hezbollah? because those have been the two main organizations that Israel has been in war.
Right on. You tell me how well that land invasion of Iran goes. Oh wait...
So who do you think is the larger enemy for Israel? Assad and his cronies, or the rebels that may overthrow him?
Of course sunni,whabi, salafi terrorists. Assad wan't to live they give a fak ifthey can kill infidels. There is a war and it's Warmongering Islam vs. rest of the world. Strike today for brighter future of our children. Supporting Saudis and Pakistan , that's what I call another fail of "western" diplomacy.
Yep, of course it counts, also throw in PLO, Islam Jihad and 2 dozen groups into that pot. You have been conditioned into thinking that those insurgency groups are the main and the ONLY problem to Israel but that is far from the truth, from day 1 of the founding of Israel they are facing hostile Arabs right in their midst. And because of their determination they have survived and even adopted the whole nation into that realty, aka they will always be fighting a insurgent force as long as they are in the Middle East. But those forces have NO chance to overthrown Israel as a nation state, because in order for a insurgency to be successful like in Vietnam or Algeria, they need to have the support of the population against the oppressors.
But in Israel those insurances are do not receive majority support of the population, they more they fight Israel the more Israel became determined and adopted to this threat, because Israel themselves also call this land home so they have no where to go, so they have just as much willpower to fight the insurgencies. And as long as they still here, organization like Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah will always exist until the end of time, so trust me, Israel is not about to win this war, and they are NOT about to loose this war, this is something that will go on forever. And Israel is fully aware that this is just part of life.
Just ask yourself this, when have Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah, Islam Jihad + 20 other organization EVER was a threat to the existence to Israel as a nation since 1948? The answer is NEVER.
However how many times Israel as a nation was threaten by it is neighbors who invaded them with full scale traditional military forces? More than once, and they have beat them back against the odd each time, but this does not mean Israel will want to rest on this military record forever, because for them, it is far better to destroy the enemy's strength to attack them than to have 100% faith their military will always win in any future military conflict against the odds.
Both sides are clearly not angels.
However considering Iran is a major supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah, Israel might be happy to see Iran losing influence in Syria. Afterall I don't think the opposition is too fond of Iran.
Oh come on now... be smart, Israel is not that stupid, you are still stuck in the mentality of 18th century warfare, where the only resolution to conflict is with full scale military invasion.
Nowadays, there are dozens of ways to neutralize a threat, by diplomacy, by bribery, by threat, by using a superpower to do your dirty work (USA) etc. etc...
The solution goes on and on, and trust me, Israel is playing all the cards. They along with the Chinese are among the two smartest nation playing long term geopolitical chess game.
I'd say that having a bunch of terrorist entities right next door and inside your country is a pretty big problem. Are they a threat to the existence of the state? Short answer, no. Are they a huge hamper to the state. Yes, definitely. Israel realistically can't be having conflicts like the 2006 Lebanon War, Cast Lead, and Pillar of Defense every damn year. It's detrimental to society to have never ending warfare.
As for Israel's neighbor's, the one that has posed the biggest threat - Syria - has a weak military, both training and equipment wise. They were never really a threat as far as conventional weapons go, because their army is so damn incompetent. Jordan has been pretty friendly since the end of the Yom Kippur War, so they aren't a threat. Egypt is kept in check by the US and the peace treaty of 1979, there's Saudi Arabia, but so long as they export oil, they wouldn't dare touch Israel. The only realistic threat besides Syria is Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon.
But then we come back to my base argument. The rebels are the bigger threat to Israel, and the reason behind that is that Assad will be regaining a destroyed country if his government wins this war. How, with a destroyed country and economy, will he be able to strike at Israel, and survive the sh!tstorm he will unleash? His military and country will be in shambles, and he's going to have an extremely hard time rebuilding. He's virtually bankrupt at this point, and has very few friends to help him rebuild. Sure he's got Iran, but what kind of monetary assistance are they going to be able to push his way when they have their own economic difficulties with the Western sanctions Russia could help, but I doubt they'd be willing to doll out large sums of cash for the government to rebuild with.
Now look at the Jehadis perspective. They don't care if they die, they embrace it. They are well financed, and if the hardline factions of the revolution wish to strike out against Israel, I'm sure their financiers will support them. Most of the hardliners are career "soldiers" anyways. They live and die for the Jehad, jumping from one conflict to the next, waiting to be sent to their god. Israel is the next logical enemy for them.
Screw you Kilgor, come up with some sources for the 'pillaging, raping' Red Army other than bitter former Nazis or their past or current sympathizers in Axis-aligned Eastern European states. The same things have been said about the American army in Italy & France. So what?
And I doubt the Germans had any particular punishments for their soldiers raping and pillaging in Russia. Don't get confused.
Then tell me, since the founding of Israel in 1948, when did it ever NOT faced any "terrorist" or insurgency threat? This threat didn't come out of some entity that is the manifestation of "EVIL" it self, that if Israel fight hard enough it will make it go away or something. Those "terrorist" have existed for so long only because they have a large measure of popular support from the people that are backing them.
Trust me, if you somehow teleported 10,000 Al Quada fighter right into the middle of USA, they will not last for 6 month before all captured by the FBI and CIA, because they have no popular support no backing from the population, and thus they can be eradicated. This is not so for those so call "terrorists" that Israel is facing.
The ONLY way Israel can eliminate this threat is by one day 100% genocide all Arab people and it is descents all over the world from the disputed land. In the old days of ancient warfare where genocidal action is very common, this was often done, but not so in today's world, therefore Israel is stuck with them unless they are ready to genocide them like Hitler have genocide them from Europe.
I'm not going to speaking in favor of the Arab or Israelis , I am an outside observer and I see both side have legit grievance against each other, and as long as this grievance exist, those so call "terrorist" and insurgency will always exist.
Israel knows this very well, and they have been preparing to fight this war until eternal and trust me, when you are ready to fight a never ending war, your goal is not the destruction of your enemy.
And yes, I see you are coming over to my state of thinking it is indeed true you are also seeing a pattern of how Israel's former enemy have one by one being neutralized as a threat, Egypt and Jordan by bribery from USA, Syria now from this civil war, Lebanon by periodic invasion in the 1980s and 2006 and their own internal civil war, Iraq by US military invasion and low state of internal civil war. So do the math, which country that is left over that still poses a threat to Israel, and Israel have no control over it is politic?
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