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    French forces said to be training Syria rebels

    http://gulftoday.ae/portal/e772452c-...e91116b58.aspx

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    I wonder what Syria has to offer the Chinese and the Russians. Protect Syria at the UNSC and park your carrier group in Syrian waters, then you get 30% off Syrian oil and basing rights for the next ten years..etc.

    I know Syria is not a big oil producer, but surely they could offer something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xav View Post
    Paris could participate with Ankara and London in a "limited" campaign in Syria in support of the free army.
    http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/syrie-la...1402017_24.php

    edit: According to the article France is the first country to recognize "Syrian Transitional Council"

    Here we go again...
    What is it with the French lately getting involved in conflicts? I never thought I would see this happen.

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    France would be most well placed to do it I think, as it used to be their colony

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    Turkey slaps sanctions on Syria

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    [*******#5B5B5B]11/30/2011 11:45 [/COLOR]

    Ankara will freeze all financial dealings, block delivery of weapons; UAE announces suspension [FONT=arial !important]of flights[/FONT] to Syria.


    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=247558

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    Quote Originally Posted by IconOfEvi View Post
    France would be most well placed to do it I think, as it used to be their colony
    But it was French politics which was aimed at reducing the power of the Sunni majority. But of course time's changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurking View Post
    What is it with the French lately getting involved in conflicts? I never thought I would see this happen.
    It's true. With the minor exceptions of two world wars, Indochina, Algeria, Korea, Chad, Gulf War1, Afghanistan, and interventions in Somalia, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Haiti, Congo, Ivory Coast, Libya and a few others, we're quite the peaceniks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IconOfEvi View Post
    France would be most well placed to do it I think, as it used to be their colony
    It wasn't colonized.
    France had a mandate of the League of Nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    It wasn't colonized.
    France had a mandate of the League of Nations.
    Yes, and it was very somber period of the Syrian history (though the Turkish period was not better). As France didn’t consider Syria as “truly own”, it invested nothing in the local economy and infrastructure and avoided any social reforms. At the same time, the customs barriers were deleted completely and European industrial import strangled any sprouts of local industry.
    Practically, Syria knew the period of reforms and limited development only within 20 years from 1966 (victory of left wing of Baath). But later “the Arab socialist revival” degenerated again in the classical stagnant Eastern despotism based on corruption and clannishness.

    Quote Originally Posted by [RNZE]Sapper View Post
    I wonder what Syria has to offer the Chinese and the Russians. Protect Syria at the UNSC and park your carrier group in Syrian waters, then you get 30% off Syrian oil and basing rights for the next ten years..etc.
    I know Syria is not a big oil producer, but surely they could offer something.
    [FONT=&amp]Syria needn’t offer anything to the Russians. For the Russians it is the choice between “something, even if a little” and “zero”. Victory of the Western puppets or the Islamist retards means complete loss of the existing Russian positions (even if they are limited enough) in this country. The Russian leadership is shocked by the Western neocolonial plunder of Libya after cynical perversion of UN resolutions, these events deeply undermined authority of Medvedev and his pro-Western stooges (who look like the direct successors of Gorbachev-Eltsin scum today), and elections in Russia are near. Nobody will save Assad specially (Syria is far from being “a zone of crucial Russian interests”), but nobody wants look like traitors and identify themselves with the subversive activity of NATO and Arabian monarchies against the Syrian government. Thus, if the Alawite regime still falls and Syria will be plunged in chaos of civil war, the Russian politicians can not be blamed for it by the Russian society.[/FONT]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forestier View Post
    The Russian leadership is shocked by the Western neocolonial plunder of Libya after cynical perversion of UN resolutions, these events deeply undermined authority of Medvedev and his pro-Western stooges (who look like the direct successors of Gorbachev-Eltsin scum today), and elections in Russia are near. Nobody will save Assad specially (Syria is far from being “a zone of crucial Russian interests”), but nobody wants look like traitors and identify themselves with the subversive activity of NATO and Arabian monarchies against the Syrian government. Thus, if the Alawite regime still falls and Syria will be plunged in chaos of civil war, the Russian politicians can not be blamed for it by the Russian society.
    Fantastic. Truly fantastic. If I close my eyes I can see myself listening to Radio-Moscow International back in the 1980s.

    Russian government shocked, Western colonialism, pro-Western stooges, cynical perversion of UN resolutions, subversive NATO activity... Man, those were the days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forestier View Post
    Yes, and it was very somber period of the Syrian history (though the Turkish period was not better). As France didn’t consider Syria as “truly own”, it invested nothing in the local economy and infrastructure and avoided any social reforms. At the same time, the customs barriers were deleted completely and European industrial import strangled any sprouts of local industry.
    Practically, Syria knew the period of reforms and limited development only within 20 years from 1966 (victory of left wing of Baath). But later “the Arab socialist revival” degenerated again in the classical stagnant Eastern despotism based on corruption and clannishness.

    (…)
    These were tough times in Europe too, between WW1 and WW2, cumulating with the World's depression.
    And there was no existing industry in Syria to strangle at all.

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    UN: Syria in civil war, death toll at 4,000

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    [*******#5B5B5B]12/01/2011 17:59 [/COLOR]

    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=247790


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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    And there was no existing industry in Syria to strangle at all.
    There were traditional urban handicrafts working for local needs. They were strangled by European competition. Agriculture was paralyzed by dominance of landlords-absenteeists. The real progress began to show only after agrarian reform of 1966-68, and Syria had about 10% yearly growth of GDP in 1970s.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atlantic Friend View Post
    Fantastic. Truly fantastic. If I close my eyes I can see myself listening to Radio-Moscow International back in the 1980s.
    Russian government shocked, Western colonialism, pro-Western stooges, cynical perversion of UN resolutions, subversive NATO activity... Man, those were the days.
    I’m sincerely glad to enjoy you a little nostalgically. Only now, when re-reading the Soviet proceedings on national-liberation struggle in underdeveloped countries, we begin to realize how wise they were. And how true were all their accusations about the damned imperialists.

    [FONT=&amp]Your bourgeois mass-media has “forgotten” about Libya now, but negative processes are far from completion there. Now division of its oil/gas fields by the Western companies, with extension of their rights and privileges, is under way, while the aboriginal population is still stricken by criminality and political murders. Soon Gaddafi with his social subsidies will be recalled as a saint in this mentally deficient country.[/FONT]

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    Camera, did you watch the Envoyé Special show tonight ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xav View Post
    Camera, did you watch the Envoyé Special show tonight ?
    No, I didn't. Was it about Syria?

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