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    Thumbs up J-18, the Chinese STOVL fighter

    http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=6301965

    Is China Developing a VSTOL Fighter?

    TAIPEI - China may have test-flown the J-18 Red Eagle vertical short takeoff and landing (VSTOL) fighter earlier this month, if chatter on Chinese-language military blogs is accurate.

    China's defense industry is largely opaque and it is difficult to substantiate Internet chatter. However, Chinese-language military blogs reported the first test flight of the stealthy J-20 Black Eagle fighter in January, much to the surprise of the Western media.

    Now there are reports emerging of a test flight of the J-18. Tests were supposedly conducted earlier this month and the fighter is similar to the Sukhoi Su-33 carrier-based fighter.

    "In 2005, a Chinese aviation industry source told me the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation was considering a F-35B-like program," said Richard Fisher, vice president of the Washington-based International Assessment and Strategy Center. "Given the PLA's naval power projection ambitions, it is probable there is VSTOL or STOVL [short takeoff and vertical landing] fighter program."
    Wow, that was fast. When did Chinese steal F-35 blue prints? It didn't take them very long to produce a copy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowMan View Post
    Wow, that was fast. When did Chinese steal F-35 blue prints? It didn't take them very long to produce a copy.
    God save them! It is going to ruin their country!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowMan View Post
    http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=6301965
    Wow, that was fast. When did Chinese steal F-35 blue prints? It didn't take them very long to produce a copy.
    Dude, learn to read and quit being a muckraker. Even the part you quoted said:
    Tests were supposedly conducted earlier this month and the fighter is similar to the Sukhoi Su-33 carrier-based fighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subotai View Post
    Dude, learn to read and quit being a muckraker. Even the part you quoted said:
    It's almost impossible to do STOVL with a Flanker airframe due to weight, even if you stick vertical landing jet engines in the fuselage.

    A short-takeoff-and-landing Flanker made possible by canard and TVC I understand, but not vertical landing. Must be a Chinese copy of YAK-141.

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    The "Su-33" part is a good indicator that some or all of it is massive bull****.

    Su-33 is heavy. Very heavy. In fact, a VTOL Su-33 would be the heaviest such operational aircraft by an enormous 250-300% margin (just compare it to Harrier or Yak-38).

    Even if you forget the fact a STOVL/VTOL aircraft would imply a complete aerodynamic redesign, the weight alone would make this a practical impossibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowMan View Post
    It's almost impossible to do STOVL with a Flanker airframe due to weight, even if you stick vertical landing jet engines in the fuselage.

    A short-takeoff-and-landing Flanker made possible by canard and TVC I understand, but not vertical landing. Must be a Chinese copy of YAK-141.
    Well the article says its similar to Su-33. So either that is bs or the STOVL part is bs. Overall the whole article does not sound very reliable.

    Maybe they are just talking about J-15 (Chinese Su-33 copy).

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    http://asian-defence.blogspot.com/20...keoff-and.html

    The report said the wings of the jet, similar to Russia's Su-33, a carrier-based multi-role fighter, could be folded, and suspected that it would be installed on China's future aircraft carrier.

    that does not mean the jet is like Su-33. I think it would be like Yak-141 (maybe a blueprints purchase) looking at past Chinese projects.

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    Secret's up China:


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    Is this it? Don't how reliable the following pic is

    http://defenceanalyzist.blogspot.com...e-off-and.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkbou View Post
    Is this it? Don't how reliable the following pic is

    http://defenceanalyzist.blogspot.com...e-off-and.html
    Isn't that pic an F-35.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elbs View Post
    Secret's up China:

    Now how did that get there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xav View Post
    God save them! It is going to ruin their country!
    F-35 , bankrupting one nation after the other

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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124027491029837401.html

    Of course they deny it...

    http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/20...acking_042309/

    Remember, don't make accusations against The Middle Kingdom

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    Chinese copy of Su-33 is J-15, not J-18, nothing like that exists, at least not officialy.



    and since whole article is based on "chatter on Chinese-language military blogs" itīs pretty much safe to say that it is BS.

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    Damn, I was hoping this was real, but had a feeling it would end up fake. Basing the existance of a fighter on "internet chatter" is like determining the standing of international relations on Youtube politics

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