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    Quote Originally Posted by sepheronx View Post
    Out of curiosity, how many Su-24s are in service, and are they to upgrade all of them to the M2 standard?
    Around 250 with about the same number in storage. Upgrade programs for Su-24 are at this stage all over and its understandable (too little hours left on the frames) So minor overhauls with minor stadarisation is possible before they are retired. But it is unofficial info from Sukhoi NAPO factory source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_UA View Post
    Around 250 with about the same number in storage. Upgrade programs for Su-24 are at this stage all over and its understandable (too little hours left on the frames) So minor overhauls with minor stadarisation is possible before they are retired. But it is unofficial info from Sukhoi NAPO factory source.
    Thanks. I figured they were getting quite old and require upgrades. I heard Glonass and some newer targeting system with mfd. Cool upgrade. I take it, it would be quite costly to start doing some maintenance to extend the life of the airframes?

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    Thanks for starting this thread , we can use this thread for generic Russian Armed Forces Discussion while for specific topic like Armata etc we can start individual thread.

    I have read the upgrade news of IL-38 upgrade to Novella standards and couple of aircraft getting upgrade each year

    1 ) Can some one tell me the MPA fleet strength of LRMP compromising of IL-38 and Tu-142 of Russian Navy ?

    2 ) What about upgrade of Tu-142 to Novella standards ?

    3 ) I have read Tupelov has proposed the Tu-204P as replacement for Tu-142 , are there any takers for this since eventually they would have to replace the IL-38/Tu-142 ?

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    Will be Su-24M2 equipped with Democles or Sapsan targeting pod? Is any of them delivered yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    1 ) Can some one tell me the MPA fleet strength of LRMP compromising of IL-38 and Tu-142 of Russian Navy ?
    Not many. Up to 30 operational Il-38's and ~ 15 Tu-142. This is both on Norhern and Pacific fleet. On Black Sea fleet there are only obsolete Be-12 Mails(5 of them)

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    2 ) What about upgrade of Tu-142 to Novella standards ?
    From my understanding Tu-142 are getting upgrades connected with their ELINT/SIGINT roles firsthand. For ex. Tu-142 that crashed in 2009 was upgraded one.
    here is related news - http://www.arms-expo.ru/049057054050...049056053.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    3 ) I have read Tupelov has proposed the Tu-204P as replacement for Tu-142 , are there any takers for this since eventually they would have to replace the IL-38/Tu-142 ?
    New MPA platform is not immediate priority. The candidates are most likely An-148, An-70, Tu-204 and Global Hawkski[that is being delveloped]

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    The Russians really have a small fleet of MPA if 45 is the total number of LRMP they have. The An-70 will never be an MPA and An-148 can be medium range MPA replacing the IL-38 but the Tu-204 has the right range and load carrying capability to replace the Tu-142 , it will also lower the operating cost , the Indian Navy Tu-142 is an expensive beast to operate.

    What the Global Hawk thats being developed ?

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    here an interesting bit on Il-38 modernization program

    Russian Defense Ministry is implementing a modernization program of anti-IL-38 for Marine Naval Aviation, told Interfax-AVN on Tuesday a source in the military-industrial complex.
    "The upgrades delivered the second IL-38 from the naval aviation fleet. His updated version of the IL-38N will be carried out in the center of airworthiness AK im.Ilyushina" - a spokesman said.
    According to him, the first state tests of the upgraded IL-38N were successfully completed last year, and soon it will be accepted for service.
    "Long-term plans provide an annual update to a few cars a year", - informed the agency.
    He recalled that last year Russia has fulfilled a contract for the modernization of India's five IL-38 in the version of the Il-38SD, similar to the Russian Il-38N.
    The source said that three cars owned by India, and two - Russia and were handed over to the Indian side, at her request. "Previously, the Soviet Union has put India 5 IL-38, but two of them were lost in a collision in the air. Therefore, their modernized version was dopostavlen" - said the representative of the MIC.
    http://vpk.name/news/52232_dlya_vmf_...olet_il38.html

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    looks like work on perpspective hi speed helicopter programs is going to get some traction this year

    http://vpk.name/news/52275_v_rossii_...npromtorg.html

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    A video on NK-93 Engine Development Program , any idea what ever happened to this program ?

    Can anybody who understands russian translate key thing mentioned in the video


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    What is the status of Shipwreck Anti Ship Missile follow on project , i recollect it was called "Bolid" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    What is the status of Shipwreck Anti Ship Missile follow on project , i recollect it was called "Bolid" ?
    RFP for "Bolid" was issued in early 80-s. It was a ASM R&D planned as a successor to Shipwreck(which development began in 1966 IIRC)fit in existing tubes of Oscar. Similar to Sandbox/Vulkan replacement programme. Needless to say in early 90-s it become clear that this system would be obsolete. There are at least two new systems that can fit its shoes in development - "Brahmos-2"/"Yakhont-2" and "Tsirkon-s"

    As for that NK-93 video, sadly, it was canned. The new project is NK-65 with smaller fan diameter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_UA View Post
    RFP for "Bolid" was issued in early 80-s. It was a ASM R&D planned as a successor to Shipwreck(which development began in 1966 IIRC)fit in existing tubes of Oscar. Similar to Sandbox/Vulkan replacement programme. Needless to say in early 90-s it become clear that this system would be obsolete. There are at least two new systems that can fit its shoes in development - "Brahmos-2"/"Yakhont-2" and "Tsirkon-s"
    Yakhont or Yakhont-2 if you are referring to the hypersonic project lacks the stand off range of Shipwreck which is atleast 500 km and they are still atleast a decade away from deployment with with shorter ranges.

    What is Tsirkon-S , its similar to X-47 project isnt it not a anti-ship missile.

    As for that NK-93 video, sadly, it was canned. The new project is NK-65 with smaller fan diameter.
    NK-65 as a project is not documented any where unless the new PD-14 project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    NK-65 as a project is not documented any where unless the new PD-14 project.
    Well yes but SNTK Kuznetsov is in intensive care now to restart the production of NK-321(Tu-160 engines). And there are these reports:
    http://www.time-samara.ru/article/20584.html
    http://news.samaratoday.ru/news/190204/


    As for ASM's Yakhont-2 can be a replacement no need to build jet fighter size missile nowadays. And Tsirkon-s is not a X-47 but a "X-51 like" project.

    Bolid was cancelled around 15 years ago IIRC. So its not feasible to bring it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_UA View Post
    Well yes but SNTK Kuznetsov is in intensive care now to restart the production of NK-321(Tu-160 engines). And there are these reports:
    http://www.time-samara.ru/article/20584.html
    http://news.samaratoday.ru/news/190204/
    Looks like a promising project to develop an engine between 18 to 30T class , considering PD-14/18 wont scale beyond 18 tons , they seems to be lobbing for it but without much success.


    As for ASM's Yakhont-2 can be a replacement no need to build jet fighter size missile nowadays. And Tsirkon-s is not a X-47 but a "X-51 like" project
    Is there any opensource info or some russian project link to Tsirkon-S project ?

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