Russian Armed Forces News & Discussion thread

[medo]

I think it is an updated version of the 55Zh6UE-Nebo-UE
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Or maybe it is about new Nebo-M radar complex like they show in sdelanounas blog.

http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/8384/

[artjomh]

Say artjomh, you're one of the most knowledgeable people here: How does the Talwar (Admiral Grigorovich) class compare to the Gorshkov class?

Gorshkov is much better.

• ASW: 11356 is a bit better (533 mm vs 324 mm torpedoes), but technology is older
• Artillery: 22350 is better (130 mm vs 100 mm, higher rate of fire)
• CIWS: roughly similar (Kashtan-M has 10 km engagement vs. Palash with 8 km, but Palash has better sensor and more links)
• Strike: 22350 is better (16 missile cells vs. 8)
• AD: 22350 is vastly superior (VLS launchers vs. old single-arm launcher, missile range extended from 25 km (3M38) to 120 km (9M96))
• Sensors: 22350 is vastly superior (AESA targeting and guidance, newer search radar)

The Navy wants local 11356 to be identical to the Indian orders to save on expenses (so don't expect more missiles or something). That would be difficult, since Indian 11356 use so many Indian components (e.g. sonar).

[Rubick]

Gorshkov is much better.

• ASW: 11356 is a bit better (533 mm vs 324 mm torpedoes), but technology is older
• Artillery: 22350 is better (130 mm vs 100 mm, higher rate of fire)
• CIWS: roughly similar (Kashtan-M has 10 km engagement vs. Palash with 8 km, but Palash has better sensor and more links)
• Strike: 22350 is better (16 missile cells vs. 8)
• AD: 22350 is vastly superior (VLS launchers vs. old single-arm launcher, missile range extended from 25 km (3M38) to 120 km (9M96))
• Sensors: 22350 is vastly superior (AESA targeting and guidance, newer search radar)

The Navy wants local 11356 to be identical to the Indian orders to save on expenses (so don't expect more missiles or something). That would be difficult, since Indian 11356 use so many Indian components (e.g. sonar).

Kashtan-M is not in production anymore.

You sure about arm launchers instead of VLS shtil-1 ?

[Andy_UA]

Or maybe it is about new Nebo-M radar complex like they show in sdelanounas blog.

http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/8384/

Nice. First time I see all components of Nebo-M. The left is X-band AESA(or maybe for now its PESA), center is L-band and right is VHF-band. The vehicle in the background is probably a command post. This is for detection of VLO airframes.
Carlo Copp website has a good report on the system.

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Nebo-SVU-Analysis.html
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-L...#mozTocId68515

[artjomh]

Kashtan-M is not in production anymore.

Only because Indians declined it. Production can restart.

You sure about arm launchers instead of VLS shtil-1 ?

Shtil-1 VLS doesn't exist. It was on the drawing board, offered to India, but Indians declined, so it stayed on the drawing board.

[Maximmmm]

Thanks artjomh!
Yeah I guess it does make sense. Still if they're cheaper and can be built without major mishaps, why not have a dozen or two to prop up the fleet.

[artjomh]

Thanks artjomh!
Yeah I guess it does make sense. Still if they're cheaper and can be built without major mishaps, why not have a dozen or two to prop up the fleet.

Apparently, there will be at least 9, with contract for 6 already signed.

Nine 11356 in the Black Sea would finally end the mockery that is the "Black Sea Flotilla".

[Maximmmm]

Apparently, there will be at least 9, with contract for 6 already signed.

Nine 11356 in the Black Sea would finally end the mockery that is the "Black Sea Flotilla".

Amen to that, let's hope the planned subs get there too.

[Maximmmm]

So we all know that the MOD has been demanding high quality/capability UAV's from the Military industrial complex.
Here's another one of those articles on the issue: http://lenta.ru/articles/2011/10/12/uavs/
Now, recently we've seen quite a bit of activity from the companies on this issue, the most resent MAKC, is a good example.
My question is: Do you guys think that one of the companies has an advanced, domestically engineered UAV in the works a la Global Hawk, Reaper?
I recall the Mig Skat mockup from a while back, but that's cancelled and all I've seen on shows is a bit more tame.

[Maximmmm]

Christ on a popsicle,
First time I hear the RN is designing a state of the art rescue ship, turns out they're cancelling it and would prefer a british analogue....
http://www.navy.ru/news/navy/?ELEMENT_ID=94736
Not to mention that a rescue ship actually being built (since 2005) is not being funded.
http://flotprom.ru/news/?ELEMENT_ID=94747
For crying out loud MOD, get the purchasing **** in order.

[void]

So we all know that the MOD has been demanding high quality/capability UAV's from the Military industrial complex.
Here's another one of those articles on the issue: http://lenta.ru/articles/2011/10/12/uavs/
Now, recently we've seen quite a bit of activity from the companies on this issue, the most resent MAKC, is a good example.
My question is: Do you guys think that one of the companies has an advanced, domestically engineered UAV in the works a la Global Hawk, Reaper?
I recall the Mig Skat mockup from a while back, but that's cancelled and all I've seen on shows is a bit more tame.

Imho you wont see a proper high quality strike UAV until one of the established OKBs has a go (Mig, Sukhoi, Yakovlev, Tupolev, etc). From a recon UAV point of view, I think one of the problems is the lack of domestic engines. I dont think Russia has much experience in building economic small/light propeller engines of the type seen say on the Reaper/Predator drones.

[Maximmmm]

Hah, yeah I never though about the engines, especially given that any experience the SU had with UAV's was mostly with jet engines. I guess that's one of the reasons for getting those israeli UAV's.

[void]

I think Russia has the ability currently to make a good strike UAV because it can leverage the experience with classic fighters and bombers. eg: The Skat from MiG was about the size of a Mig-29, so the experience from things like engines, packaging, aerodynamics still applies. But for something like the Heron or Predator drones it is a different class of machine and needs different types of engines, different packaging layout, different aerodynamics (focused on low subsonic speeds rather than transonic and supersonic).

[AustinJ]

Nice. First time I see all components of Nebo-M. The left is X-band AESA(or maybe for now its PESA), center is L-band and right is VHF-band. The vehicle in the background is probably a command post. This is for detection of VLO airframes.
Carlo Copp website has a good report on the system.

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Nebo-SVU-Analysis.html
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-L...#mozTocId68515

Good One , they need to add a Bi-Static radar to the list quite effective against LO RCS target,

[potentialenemy.ru]

I think Russia has the ability currently to make a good strike UAV because it can leverage the experience with classic fighters and bombers. eg: The Skat from MiG was about the size of a Mig-29, so the experience from things like engines, packaging, aerodynamics still applies. But for something like the Heron or Predator drones it is a different class of machine and needs different types of engines, different packaging layout, different aerodynamics (focused on low subsonic speeds rather than transonic and supersonic).

It's no matter could or not could. They're required right now. A new Zombi Aist or not, no one knows, but Israeli ones are kosher ones and usable right now.