Russian Armed Forces News & Discussion thread

[AustinJ]

The General staff says they do not need T-90 because its no more modern and they dont need T-90MS because it does not meet all their future requirement , that only leaves the Armata that if all goes well will come by 2016.

Dont see how they will produce 2300 Armata in 4 years not that they need those huge number in such short time.

So likely the 2300 Tanks are upgrade T-72 and probably even some upgraded T-90 and few hundred Armata. Bulk of the tank fleet by 2020 will be upgrades of existing tanks.

[YevgenyP]

This number almost certainly includes refurbished and upgraded tanks.

So task is even more easier.

[AustinJ]

Are they developing a new Attack Aircraft ?

http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20120220/570451524.html

"

Modern requirements for combat operations forced aircraft designers seek new ways to respond adequately to possible threats. As a result, was born the concept of creating a promising attack aircraft. By 2020, this aircraft has come to be part of the Air Force, is gradually replacing the extremely robust Su-25SM" - he said.

He said the new aircraft, based at the Su-25SM will be able to use the entire range of tactical weapons. At the same time the plane will have the effect of stealth, able to land on any runway, with sophisticated connected, radar and navigational equipment.

[Khathi]

I'm curious if anyone around here might know the specifications of the VLS systems the Russians are working to install in their newer surface ships. Specifically dimensions and the missiles it's capable of fitting with ratios for larger missiles compared to smaller. Part of this is to help compare to older ships with fixed weaponry configurations as well as trying to work out what sort of modernization might be possible for something like a Kirov with this sort of system.

If you're talking about UKSK VLS, then the outer dimensions of one installable module is ~2×4×9 meters, and it consists of eight cells. Their inner dimensions I don't remember out of hand, but so far the largest missile officially confirmed for UKSK is Yakhont/Oniks/Brahmos, which is 8 meters long and 71 cm wide (with folded fins and wings). In its original form, designed for thin (around 54 cm) and long Club/Kalibr missiles, each UKSK module has two cylindrical containers with ~2 meters diameter, each of which contains four missiles. It's theoretically possible to remove this two "barrels", while keeping all other parts, including the load bearing frame, intact, thus allowing thicker missiles in their own separate launching containers, which, probably, was how Yakhont was squeezed in.

But the largest problem so far, as I've heard, is integrating this VLS with SAMs. Containers of the long range missiles have dimensions incompatible with the cells, and they couldn't be installed there anyway, because they traditionally use completely different setup for cables and other conduits, and it is apparently impossible to route them for both uses without the major redesign of either the launcher or the missile. There is at least one SAM in the works which IS being designed with UKSK in mind, but it's only one I've ever heard of, and it still has a lot of way before it.

[Universals]

This number almost certainly includes refurbished and upgraded tanks.

I don't think the number includes upgrades. But I do agree that 2300 Tanks won't happen. My guess is that the number includes other APCs and IFVs (to be built on the same platform) which were not mentioned at all in the report. There's is a tendency to classify those as tanks especially in the media.

[Lurking]

SU could produce 500-1000 tanks per year EASILY. I think they are planning similar scale production capacity.

Because of the industrial might of the Ukraine.

[Walter-ua]

Because of the industrial might of the Ukraine.

At the time of the Soviet Union's no problem, and now? f@cking capitalism

[Amur_Tiger]

If you're talking about UKSK VLS, then the outer dimensions of one installable module is ~2×4×9 meters, and it consists of eight cells. Their inner dimensions I don't remember out of hand, but so far the largest missile officially confirmed for UKSK is Yakhont/Oniks/Brahmos, which is 8 meters long and 71 cm wide (with folded fins and wings). In its original form, designed for thin (around 54 cm) and long Club/Kalibr missiles, each UKSK module has two cylindrical containers with ~2 meters diameter, each of which contains four missiles. It's theoretically possible to remove this two "barrels", while keeping all other parts, including the load bearing frame, intact, thus allowing thicker missiles in their own separate launching containers, which, probably, was how Yakhont was squeezed in.

But the largest problem so far, as I've heard, is integrating this VLS with SAMs. Containers of the long range missiles have dimensions incompatible with the cells, and they couldn't be installed there anyway, because they traditionally use completely different setup for cables and other conduits, and it is apparently impossible to route them for both uses without the major redesign of either the launcher or the missile. There is at least one SAM in the works which IS being designed with UKSK in mind, but it's only one I've ever heard of, and it still has a lot of way before it.

Interesting, thanks for the information.

[Maximmmm]

Ok so 80 SU-25's to undergo modernization:
http://lenta.ru/news/2012/02/20/su25/

Also KnAAPO to receive several billion for modernization:
http://lenta.ru/news/2012/02/20/billions/

[Hyde]

Are they developing a new Attack Aircraft ?

http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20120220/570451524.html

"At the same time the plane will have the effect of stealth"

Interesting.

[artjomh]

I'm curious if anyone around here might know the specifications of the VLS systems the Russians are working to install in their newer surface ships. Specifically dimensions and the missiles it's capable of fitting with ratios for larger missiles compared to smaller. Part of this is to help compare to older ships with fixed weaponry configurations as well as trying to work out what sort of modernization might be possible for something like a Kirov with this sort of system.

Surface version:



Submarine version:

[Amur_Tiger]

Surface version:

Pictures

Submarine version:

Pictures

Thank you very much for that, quite a few interesting details there. One that seems to be implied is that you can get 1 Brahmos sized missile for every two Clubs with this system, am I correct in this assumption or misunderstanding something?

[artjomh]

Thank you very much for that, quite a few interesting details there. One that seems to be implied is that you can get 1 Brahmos sized missile for every two Clubs with this system, am I correct in this assumption or misunderstanding something?

No. It is one per cell.

[Amur_Tiger]

No. It is one per cell.

Really! That's quite impressive then, thanks for your quick answers.

[Rubick]

"At the same time the plane will have the effect of stealth"

Interesting.

Then it'll probably be more replacement for Su-17 and Mig-27's.


Because it makes no sense making a replacment for Su-25 steathy. A CAS plane needs to take a pounding be cheap. Don't see that happening if their going to make it "stealthy". Nor is it much use making it stealthy.

Although nor is a replacemt really needed for SU-17's and mig-27's. With todays planes beeing multirole and all. And with FGFA beeing in the works.