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    Quote Originally Posted by Khathi View Post
    Probably a political thing. A lot of factions in modern Ukraine, especially a Yuschenko administration (though Kuchma's one was no better, and even supposedly pro-Russian Yanukovich tries to maneuver to please both sides), try to build a national identity on a base of how they aren't Russia anymore. They even refused to buy batteries for it from Russia and paid thrice of that to Greeks, so buying a whole boat looked even more out of question.
    The only losers in this arrangement are the poor souls that will have to serve on this gigantic heap of ****. Paying x3 times the price with a confusing procurement chain for legacy stuff is the perfect environment for raspil and otkat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunshipDemocracy View Post
    Hmmm seems that we soon can see 72 Clubs on each, I am wondering if their salvo is enough to neutralize sites in Poland and Czechia?


    http://izvestia.ru/news/519270

    Since this is an English speaking thread :

    http://translate.google.ru/translate...Fnews%2F519270
    72 klubs are a lot, and more than likely would be very sufficient in dealing with such ABM systems (Curise missiles have this advantage at flying low to avoid radar). This is quite the system then, and would be very useful in that roll. Will be interesting to hear more on this development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunshipDemocracy View Post
    so those, mentioned in article, are on top of 40 previously ordered or just final order is 30 instead of 40 fighters
    I have the same question in mind. It seems this is the first order for Su-30SM, but who knows in naval 12 are included or not and if there will be more of them. Anyway contract is signed and planes are bought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sepheronx View Post
    72 klubs are a lot, and more than likely would be very sufficient in dealing with such ABM systems (Curise missiles have this advantage at flying low to avoid radar). This is quite the system then, and would be very useful in that roll. Will be interesting to hear more on this development.
    Yep, 72 per one Antey. Seems in the west nobody's going dare to say that elections legitimacy is in doubt anymore I am just wondering if flight time ~3 hours before reaching targets is not to long in order to suppress AMD before Russia answers with ICBMs response.


    Quote Originally Posted by medo View Post
    I have the same question in mind. It seems this is the first order for Su-30SM, but who knows in naval 12 are included or not and if there will be more of them. Anyway contract is signed and planes are bought.
    are they to replace SU-24 bombers? if so why to have 2 types of tactical bombers - Su-34 and Su-30SM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunshipDemocracy View Post
    are they to replace SU-24 bombers? if so why to have 2 types of tactical bombers - Su-34 and Su-30SM?
    Su-30SM is multirole fighter.

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    SU-32/34 has longer range and a bigger payload (new models can carry 12000 Kg's of payload it seems) also is far more suited as a bomber.

    Su-30SM is multirole fighter.
    Strike fighter would be more [*******#000000]appropriate[/COLOR] term, no ?
    Last edited by Rubick; 03-22-2012 at 03:57 PM. Reason: a small mistake

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubick View Post
    new models can carry 12000 tons of payload it seems)

    That gotta be one big Sukhoi.:P

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    Haha, I have no idea why I wrote tons instead of kg's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubick View Post
    SU-32/34 has longer range and a bigger payload (new models can carry 12000 Kg's of payload it seems) also is far more suited as a bomber.
    Strike fighter would be more [*******#000000]appropriate[/COLOR] term, no ?
    Su-34 has a lot of other features which make it a superior strike fighter. It has a much more powerful inbuilt EW jammer suite and a radar optimised for ground targets and nap of the earth flying. There was a good discussion on paralay forums about it, and why it is a far better option than the Su-30 for ground missions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunshipDemocracy View Post
    Yep, 72 per one Antey. Seems in the west nobody's going dare to say that elections legitimacy is in doubt anymore I am just wondering if flight time ~3 hours before reaching targets is not to long in order to suppress AMD before Russia answers with ICBMs response.
    You sound like you've got your fallout shelter, canned food, and VHS reruns all ready to go and can't wait for the fireworks to begin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by void View Post
    Su-34 has a lot of other features which make it a superior strike fighter. It has a much more powerful inbuilt EW jammer suite and a radar optimised for ground targets and nap of the earth flying. There was a good discussion on paralay forums about it, and why it is a far better option than the Su-30 for ground missions.
    And its quite a pretty bird by itself, might look a bit awkward on the ground at first glance but then all the angles in the air really show it in the proper way.

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    BTW who says the Oscar-2 can carry 72 Calbir ? Is that an official confirmation ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinJ View Post
    BTW who says the Oscar-2 can carry 72 Calbir ? Is that an official confirmation ?
    Their tubes are big enough to carry at least 3 Clubs each (easily), and they have 24 tubes each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by void View Post
    Their tubes are big enough to carry at least 3 Clubs each (easily), and they have 24 tubes each.
    Even if that were to be True , I think they would carry the same payload as Yasen which is combination of Oniks and Kalbir.

    BTW is there any information on Oniks on other russian language forum , the range of ~ 290 km seems to be too low and could be export limitations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinJ View Post
    Even if that were to be True , I think they would carry the same payload as Yasen which is combination of Oniks and Kalbir.

    BTW is there any information on Oniks on other russian language forum , the range of ~ 290 km seems to be too low and could be export limitations.
    The tubes are also big enough to carry 3x Oniks each from the looks of it as well. And yes, 290km is an export restriction, the domestic version is rumoured to have ~400km range or so. Could be more for newer variants, but Russia isn't in the habit of releasing such data about domestic weapons.

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