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    Quote Originally Posted by Raden5 View Post
    Airborne is not an independent service and does not decides - what to buy and what not.
    But I in general wrote about other - about null information, but not about quality of some armour. Purchases could stop in general on banal reason - Kurganmashzavod an order will not execute.
    Are you using Google Translate or do you just talk like Yoda naturally?

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    New center for advanced weapons to be build in Siberia. Looks like away form potential war zones and I am looking forward for portable EM guns for Russian Space Marines

    in Russian
    http://sib.fm/news/2012/04/19/centr-...x6W7-g.twitter

    and in English
    http://www.translate.ru/siteTranslat...x6W7-g.twitter

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    and here something I do not really get. Why Rogozin said about 12 years of gap? Does it mean that avionics FA-PAK is worse than in Typhoon or F-16 block 52?! WTF?

    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120423/172990024.html

    In processing power of processors it is ~5 years but who is using top power civil processors for smart ammo?! did I miss something?

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    There might be two not necessarily mutually exclusive reasons for his words. First, Rogozin loves to run his mouth, that's his well known trait. Second, he might be referring to the general state of thing, not the specific parts. Russian microelectronics is indeed lagging, and the most advanced companies, such as MCST, are so strongly hit by a bran drain that they in a way serve as a "farm clubs" of sorts for American, Korean and Japanese microelectronic industries. MCST, for example, loses a lot of people each year to Intel, with which it has historical ties: both its founders, Vladimir Pentkovsky and Boris Babayan, ended up there, and Pentkovsky even was the chief developer of Pentium III, which later evolved into the current Core architecture.

    PS: OT, but a funny aside: the famous Russian choirmaster Mikhail Turetsky is Vladimir Pentkovsky's cousin.

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    Indeed Russian microelectronic HW companies are lagging some years but maybe this is a "verbal barrage" before requesting more investment in microchips in Russia? including salaries for scientists and R&D engineers... Without governmental investment the gap will not be closed. South Korean govt invested many years in chaebols before they can stand competition. IMO Russia shall follow same way.


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    PS: OT, but a funny aside: the famous Russian choirmaster Mikhail Turetsky is Vladimir Pentkovsky's cousin.
    apparently music and science use similar genes

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    Maybe, but for now the story is as follows: the company hires a bunch of fresh PhysTech graduates who are happy to be hired because no commercial company in Russia would hire any graduate without experience. These guys work for the company for a couple of years, learn the ropes, complete their PhDs, and pfft! Off they go, hello Intel/Samsung. Rinse, repeat.

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    Agreed 100%. Since now we are on the same page, let's wait when Russian govt will come to the proper conclusions

    But I am still an optimist - engineers "stolen" by Intel/Samsung once might return to Russian market. They will bring experience, connections, ideas so can participate in creation of local start-ups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khathi View Post
    Maybe, but for now the story is as follows: the company hires a bunch of fresh PhysTech graduates who are happy to be hired because no commercial company in Russia would hire any graduate without experience. These guys work for the company for a couple of years, learn the ropes, complete their PhDs, and pfft! Off they go, hello Intel/Samsung. Rinse, repeat.
    I thinkk it sounds like there really needs to be either higher rewards in staying 'in house' (not so easy) or atleast some sort of legislation requiring that University Graduates are kept in Country for a certain duration to garantee they atleast give back what they get somewhat

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunshipDemocracy View Post
    Agreed 100%. Since now we are on the same page, let's wait when Russian govt will come to the proper conclusions

    But I am still an optimist - engineers "stolen" by Intel/Samsung once might return to Russian market. They will bring experience, connections, ideas so can participate in creation of local start-ups.
    $$ is the answer. The thing is, these companies rely mostly on government contracts and get some money on side through sales of components to other industries within Russia (for Roscosmos, etc). What they either need to do is privatize or make these semiconductor companies public organizations so there is more funding thus being able to spend more in R&D and graduates. As I understand, the Semi-conductor sector is making a comeback in Russia, but not as quick and up to par with others. That said, what I think Rogozin said is that in the development/manufacturing level of the newer equipment, and not the new equipment themselves. For instance, PAK FA is latest and greatest next to what US has for aircraft (as an example) and uses mostly to all Russian components (Don't forget, things like microprocessors in these new jets are actually quite old and have been in development for ages due to high tolerance to electronic countermeasures and their actual purpose of use (being sufficient)); but instead, talking about the equipment of making said...equipment. Maybe that is why development for PAK FA may be taking a while or even the manufacturing of newer jets (although as I understand, most Sukhoi plants are already updated) so this may fall in line with some other major companies.

    Edit: it has been said for a while that the manufacturing process in Russia is heavily outdated, and with newer electronics and automation these days, Russia is being left behind in that field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khathi View Post
    There might be two not necessarily mutually exclusive reasons for his words. First, Rogozin loves to run his mouth, that's his well known trait. Second, he might be referring to the general state of thing, not the specific parts. Russian microelectronics is indeed lagging, and the most advanced companies, such as MCST, are so strongly hit by a bran drain that they in a way serve as a "farm clubs" of sorts for American, Korean and Japanese microelectronic industries. MCST, for example, loses a lot of people each year to Intel, with which it has historical ties: both its founders, Vladimir Pentkovsky and Boris Babayan, ended up there, and Pentkovsky even was the chief developer of Pentium III, which later evolved into the current Core architecture.

    PS: OT, but a funny aside: the famous Russian choirmaster Mikhail Turetsky is Vladimir Pentkovsky's cousin.


    Didn't he have the entire hand in the Pentium processors. The whole line was named after him from what i read here.

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    [LEFT][*******#010000][FONT=Georgia]Russia and Kyrghyzistan seal military base lease deal

    The deal was signed following a meeting between Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov and his counterparts from Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan in Beijing on Tuesday, Serdyukov’s spokeswoman Lt. Col. Irina Kovalchuk said.[/FONT][/COLOR][*******#010000][FONT=Georgia]“During a meeting with Kyrgyz Defense Minister Major General Taalaibek Omuraliev a protocol on rent compensation for the use Russian military facilities in Kyrgyzstan was signed. Work to resolve the problems which occurred with payables on rent was completed,” Kovalchuk said.[/FONT][/COLOR][*******#010000][FONT=Georgia]“The signing of the protocol legally sets out the debt,” she said[/FONT][/COLOR][*******#010000][FONT=Georgia]The Russian and Tajikistan Defense Ministers sides signed an intergovernmental agreement on Tajikistan citizens attendance in the educational institutions of the Russian military.[/FONT][/COLOR][*******#010000][FONT=Georgia]“It creates the necessary legal and regulatory framework for the training of Tajikistan citizens in the Suvorov schools and cadet corps of Russian Defense Ministry,” Kovalchuk said.[/FONT][/COLOR][*******#010000][FONT=Georgia]Serdyukov is in Beijing to attend a meeting of Defense Ministers of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which will be held on Tuesday.[/FONT][/COLOR][*******#010000][FONT=Georgia]During his visit to Moscow in February, Kyrgyzstan’s President Almazbek Atambayev criticized Russia for not paying the rent for its military base in Kant and questioned the rationality of allowing Moscow to keep a base on Kyrgyz territory.[/FONT][/COLOR][*******#010000][FONT=Georgia]Kyrgyz Prime Minister Omurbekh Babanov said on Tuesday the country’s authorities were planning to decide whether to extend the U.S. lease of the Manas air base near Bishkek by taking into account the opinion of partner states within the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE).[/FONT][/COLOR][*******#010000][FONT=Georgia]The United States began operations at the Manas base in 2001 in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks to support military operations against the Taliban in Afghanistan. It remains a key supply facility for the ongoing military campaign there.[/FONT][/COLOR][*******#010000][FONT=Georgia]When Kyrgyz President Almazbek Atambayev assumed his post last November, he stated that Kyrgyzstan would not prolong the lease contract with the United States, which expires in 2014, saying that he did not want a third country carrying out a retaliatory strike against the civilian airport. Pentagon officials have since been trying to persuade the Kyrgyz authorities to change their mind.

    [/FONT][/COLOR][*******#010000][FONT=Georgia] http://en.rian.ru/world/20120424/173007597.html


    Russia to draft new defense industry concept by yearend

    [FONT=Times New Roman]Russia will draft a new concept for the development of its defense industry that reflects existing and potential threats to its national security by the end of 2012, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Tuesday.[/FONT]
    His satement was earlier misinterpreted by reporters as an announcement of plans to draft a new military doctrine.
    “It will be a document on strategic planning for 30-40 years ahead,” Rogozin clarified in his Twitter blog.
    The new concept will take into account “the analysis of potential threats, internal and external, and the preparation of a military-technical response to localize and neutralize these threats.”
    “Work on the new concept will start in mid-May,” Rogozin said.
    The announcement comes at a time when Moscow is searching for ways to counter the so-called European missile shield, NATO’s expansion toward Russia’s borders, terrorism and drug-trafficking.
    It has been only two years since Russian President Dmitry Medvedev approved the country's new military doctrine, which allows preventive nuclear strikes against potential aggressors and the use of military force to protect the lives and interests of Russian citizens abroad.
    The Russian military has insisted on the strengthening of Russia’s nuclear deterrent as the cornerstone of strategic stability, while maintaining highly-efficient, mobile conventional forces.
    The Russian government has allocated 22 trillion rubles ($730 billion) on the state arms procurement program until 2020.

    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120424/173013523.html


    Russia paratroopers test new portable radar

    Russian paratroopers have started testing a modernized portable radar that could be installed on airborne combat vehicles or carried by a small crew, the Defense Ministry said on Tuesday.
    “The first six radars have been delivered to air defense units which are part of airborne and air-assault brigades stationed in Novorossiisk, Ivanovo and Tula,” Col. Alexander Kucherenko said.
    The testing of Garmon portable radars will continue until the end of 2012.
    According to various sources, the Garmon (1L122M) radar is designed to detect and track at least three types of airborne targets despite active electronic countermeasures.
    The system weighs about 30kg and consists of an antenna array, a CPU, a tactical display and a Glonass receive

    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120424/173017525.html

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    More news ladies:

    Ivan Gren to be floated out in may , although the reduced firepower bums the **** out of me.
    http://flotprom.ru/news/?ELEMENT_ID=110492

    Borei contract to be delayed again
    http://lenta.ru/news/2012/04/24/rogo/

    Mock fights between our Mig-29SMT's, Mig-31's and Su 34's. Glad to see our pilots flying this much!
    http://lenta.ru/news/2012/04/24/exercise/

    Mi-8 made emergency landing during training flight, all three crew members unharmed. Heli is ruined though.
    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/conte...41626-ircy.htm

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    What did they change in the Ivan Gren's armament?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    What did they change in the Ivan Gren's armament?
    Here's a good article on it: http://flotprom.ru/publications/actual/prenatalscars/
    Basically the design went through a ton of changes. Originally they projected it with the standard armament, so 100mm main gun, grad-M (like on the buyans), 2x Palash and some jamming equipment.
    That all went down the drain and now all it will be armed with is x2 Ak-630M Duet (the two-barreled one) and 2x regular Ak-630.

    The ship is practically harmless now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximmmm View Post
    Here's a good article on it: http://flotprom.ru/publications/actual/prenatalscars/
    Basically the design went through a ton of changes. Originally they projected it with the standard armament, so 100mm main gun, grad-M (like on the buyans), 2x Palash and some jamming equipment.
    That all went down the drain and now all it will be armed with is x2 Ak-630M Duet (the two-barreled one) and 2x regular Ak-630.

    The ship is practically harmless now.
    It's hardly going to be going in alone. Perhaps they reasoned that this armament will be redundant. It makes sense to fit AA and Anti-Ship missiles on as many craft as possible as these are constant threats for any naval force. But artillery support to marines in the form of main cannon fire and Grad missiles is a far more specific mission, there is perhaps no need for more than 1-2 ships in the task-force to have such capabilities.

    At least that's my take on it :P
    Personally though I think it would have been worth it, to have it pack more of a punch. At least to have kept the Grad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximmmm View Post
    Here's a good article on it: http://flotprom.ru/publications/actual/prenatalscars/
    That all went down the drain and now all it will be armed with is x2 Ak-630M Duet (the two-barreled one) and 2x regular Ak-630.
    The ship is practically harmless now.
    and why a landing ship is supposed to have any more firepower then for self-defense?

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