Reply With QuoteSir Artjomh and Sir Khathi, thank you very much for the carrier info. *thumbsup*
Export orders not usually most profitable. Do you know that Indians, Malaysians and Vietnamese etc. used to pay for Military tech with a barter type deals in 90-s and first half of 2000-s (and because nobody was buying anyway the companies agreed to this) for T-90,Su-30 with carpets, oils, wheat and other goods etc(!).Originally Posted by sepheronx
I cannot answer your question - not my paygrade and too much variables. Generally development and initial manufacturing is cheaper in Russia. Compare "Angara" development costs to Delta-4 or some Ariane... But the MoD is not working towards converting this advantage into manufacturing efficiency closely with industry. Also all experienced specialists of Miliatry acceptance were relieved and replace by "yellow beaked" lieutenants...
Right now MoD became even more greedy to finance intial manufacturing and testing prototypes, this causes prolonged development and fielding . According to latest rumours ultra long range missile for S-400 is not even tested properly because of this. For this year there are only 2(!) 40N6 missiles ordered for testing. Next year a couple more. For 2014 around 100. But until 2014 a lot of specialists may decide to quit(because of low paygrade) and contractors to quit cooperating with Almaz too because its not interesting to them. Theyre better off with civilian contracts. Compare with EMD/IMC contracts fro THAAD.
Sir Artjomh and Sir Khathi, thank you very much for the carrier info. *thumbsup*
Are you sure ? Putin recently said it was 20 Trillion ruble for Military and 3 trillion for MIC
This is his official address link
Also check out the English transcript of article by Prime Minister Vladimir Putin in Rossiiskaya GazetaLet me start with the state customers. But before I do, I should point out something (and I have mentioned this on multiple occasions because this concerns everyone): We have allocated the 20 trillion and nearly 3 trillion (2.8 trillion, maybe more) to revamp the defence sector.
Being strong: National security guarantees for Russia
Glad we're finally getting a new handgun, somebody made the right decision.
We've been "getting" it for more than a decade now, ever since "Grach" competition. And actually PYa won it back in 2003, it's just that no one really needs a service pistol nowadays, except some specialist niches, but these guys know what they're doing and don't really need a Governmental program to get pistols they do need. And for a line officer a pistol is more of a status symbol, and PM is no worse in this niche than any other pistol, which is why replacement is so sluggish. Anyway, semiauto pistols are a mature design, there's basically nothing to invent since Browning. The only real innovations after M1911 and HP are polymer frames and two-stack mags, that's basically all.
Interesting. So where is Almaz Antey's (For example), or UAC's and Uralvagonzavod's profits coming from? Also, this money being injected has to be helping the defense industries somehow or someway! I mean, they are getting money now instead of things like wheat and carpets, etc...No?
Putin: Russia must develop UAVs
Russia must develop a range of military unmanned air vehicles (UAV) including strike and reconnaissance types, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday during a visit to an air force base."We need a program for unmanned aircraft. Experts say this is a most important area of development in aviation," he said. "We need a range of all types, including automated strike aircraft, reconnaissance and other types," Putin said.Russia plans to spend around 400 billion rubles ($13 billion) on UAV development in the next eight years.
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120614/174030686.html
Putin calls for new long range bomber and UAV
Russia must start development of a long-range bomber aircraft, President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday at a meeting on defense orders.
"We have to develop work on the new PAK-DA long-range bomber aircraft for Long-Range Aviation. I know how expensive and complex this is. We have talked about this many times with ministers, and with the head of the General Staff. The task is not easy from a scientific-technical standpoint, but we need to start work," Putin said.
If bomber development work is not started soon, Russia might miss the boat, Putin said.
A new long-range cruise missile has already been adopted for these aircraft, he said, adding that the “tactical level” is in need of deep modernization.
The president also said the A-100 airborne warning and control system (AWACS) project should be implemented within the next five years.
The new AWACS plane will have the capability to detect and track long-range airborne and ground-based targets.
Russia operates a mixed fleet of 63 aging Tu-95MS turboprop missile carriers, and just 13 Tu-160 bombers.
Russia must also develop a range of military unmanned air vehicles (UAV) including strike and reconnaissance types, Putin said.
"We need a program for unmanned aircraft. Experts say this is a most important area of development in aviation," he said. "We need a range of all types, including automated strike aircraft, reconnaissance and other types," Putin added.
Russia plans to spend around 400 billion rubles ($13 billion) on UAV development in the next eight years.
Putin’s call for a new bomber comes just a week after Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who has responsibility for the military-industrial complex, appeared to pour cold water on the need for a new bomber, in remarks carried in Izvestia newspaper.
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120614/174031126.html
13 Tu-160? I thought the number was more like 16 or so? or maybe a few of them are in modernization?
Looks like 3 are not Primary Airworthy Capable and not part of regiment, just lack of free engines(despite the rumours engine production is not restarting until until 2016 in the earnest), one of those is used for testing/training I think.
It's still an officer's service weapon; it needs to be capable. All the more so if it's of a quality deemed fit for use by special forces. Status symbol my ass, when you need it - you're going to wish you had something better than a PM.
A service pistol is also not just for use by officers. Warrant officers are often equipped with it, and all military contract personnel get training in its use.
Last edited by Flamming_Python; 06-14-2012 at 12:46 PM.
Nowadays an officer in the field will use an assault rifle just like everyone else. Thus a handgun is more of a garrison weapon and not generally all that critical. That's why the replacement of PM (a fine handgun, actually, but as a police pistol, for which use it was originally designed) always wen so sluggish despite new handguns being available for a long time. Not helped by the fact that all of them have some drawbacks. Gyurza is compact and powerful, with good armor penetration, but it uses a rare and expensive specialist round; PYa is nice overall, in a classic HP style, but is relatively heavy due to all-steel construction and still has some teething problems. And GSh for that matter is reportedly a barely usable hunk of a scrap metal. So we'll see, but as of now all that gushing smacks me as a pure ad piece.
The only use for a pistol in serious combat is to maybe shoot oneself in order to prevent capture. It is completely outclassed by an assault rifle or a carbine at any range. With newer types of body armour pistols became even less effective.
If anything, compact, light, and moddable PDWs are the way to go for special forces, crews, or contractors in more interesting places.
Mosin–Nagant was being produced for 73 years. Unbelievably but up to now you can see it here and there from old stockpiles. 120 years!
PM simply shoots and they are common. It fits fine as an ad-hoc protection weapon or to intimidate someone if required, or shoot yourself. Any new gun benefits are not obvious. I think that for police forces PM is a really outdated gun.
13 are operational, 3 are test bombers. Of the 13 operational, only 11 are thought to be deployed (others are in maintenance).
Test bombers are flying same as operational. This is purely a classification label.
Just for clarification, in addition to these 16, there are also 4 more bombers at Zhukovsky and KAPO, but they are completely non-operational semi-prototypes.
Last edited by artjomh; 06-15-2012 at 04:40 AM.
There's a modernized version with two-stack mags and uprated ammo, called PMM. It's perfect for a police work and is widely used there, so no problem with datedness of the design there, I believe. But for th service pistol it is indeed somewhat feeble, but not enough to warrant an expensive across-the-board rearmament.
Posting Permissions
