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    I thought that this was a very brief but surprisingly accurate article, a rarity in the English-speaking media.

    http://blogs.rollcall.com/five-by-fi...ants/?src=otbp

    Russian Military Improving, Getting Smarter — but Maybe Not as Much as It Wants

    If the Russian military “stays the course and continues to strive for improvement, it will continue to make steady progress,” Paul N. Schwartz of the Center for Strategic and International Studies said Monday. But: “The reforms will likely fall substantially short of Russia’s ambitions for them.”

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has been making moves on the military front of late — some less subtle, such as in Ukraine, and others less immediately visible, such as in Iraq. The country is doing so mid-overhaul, with a reform effort that takes it through the year 2020.

    That “reform process has zigged and zagged,” Schwartz said at a CSIS roundtable of the think tank’s experts on Russia’s military capabilities. The goals include improving procurement; developing a smaller, more mobile fighting force for combat in regional conflicts; and countering U.S. ballistic missile defense. (Clark A. Murdock added that while the United States might feel like it’s OK to reduce its nuclear infrastructure, Russia still wants to have the upper hand there, and were it to get it, its behavior would become more aggressive.)

    Some of the reform effort is on target, Schwartz said. It has reorganized itself well for the most part, has increased the pace of training exercises and is fortifying its hold in the Arctic. Some of its hardware aims for 2020 are in good shape, like with its air force, but it’s unlikely to hit the numbers it wants for next generation tanks and sea vessels, he said.

    There are two particularly large problems: It doesn’t have the manpower it wants, with its 1 million active troops claim short by 200,000 to 250,000, and it’s ending up with subpar equipment because it is propping up poorly performing defense contractors, Schwartz said. And that’s costing Russia extra money.

    Russia is also making use of “soft power” in a way it wasn’t just a few years ago, such as on the cyber front or in manipulating the media, said Andrew C. Kuchins. And it’s seeking to “court wayward states” as allies, as a number of countries turn to the United States for help and aren’t getting as much as they would like, said Jeffrey A. Mankoff.

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    Pretty good article.

    Thanks, Python!

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    CRET is already developing avionics for promising Russian bomber - PAK DA
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/1533953
    "We have a general agreement with the UAC (United Aircraft Corporation. - TASS), according to which, together with its center of aggregation, we create a unified board for PAK DA. KRET jointly with the company" Tupolev "involved in OKP (development work - TASS ), "- said Kolesov.

    He noted that in the development of avionics for future bomber in one way or another are involved all companies of the concern: "We are in a complex deal with the development and production of avionics systems, ie do stuffing for PAK DA."

    According to Kolesov, in the plane will be applied not only new, but already proven technologies. "Part of the systems and devices are latest developments, which are already applied on other new machines, and showed high reliability and efficiency," - said the agency interlocutor. However, future aircraft will receive a fundamentally new system of EW, he said.




    Quote Originally Posted by Flamming_Python View Post
    I thought that this was a very brief but surprisingly accurate article, a rarity in the English-speaking media.

    http://blogs.rollcall.com/five-by-fi...ants/?src=otbp
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    Russia is also making use of “soft power” in a way it wasn’t just a few years ago, such as on the cyber front or in manipulating the media, said Andrew C. Kuchins. And it’s seeking to “court wayward states” as allies, as a number of countries turn to the United States for help and aren’t getting as much as they would like, said Jeffrey A. Mankoff.
    ¨

    and this guy is a professional and expert wrt Russia?!! After part with which you can agree or not there are following statements are rather fit to Late Night with Conan O'Brien then so factual analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunshipDemocracy View Post
    and this guy is a professional and expert wrt Russia?!! After part with which you can agree or not there are following statements are rather fit to Late Night with Conan O'Brien then so factual analysis.
    How is that not accurate?
    For instance, Iraq's armed forces are supported and supplied by Russia after the USA turned out to be unreliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunshipDemocracy View Post
    Russia is also making use of “soft power” in a way it wasn’t just a few years ago, such as on the cyber front or in manipulating the media, said Andrew C. Kuchins. And it’s seeking to “court wayward states” as allies, as a number of countries turn to the United States for help and aren’t getting as much as they would like, said Jeffrey A. Mankoff.
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    and this guy is a professional and expert wrt Russia?!! After part with which you can agree or not there are following statements are rather fit to Late Night with Conan O'Brien then so factual analysis.
    Seems rather accurate.

    Yes, Russia is manipulating the media, or rather the media landscape I should say; with its own news channels and websites, etc... and indeed this form of 'soft power' has increased considerably over the past 5 years.
    Don't worry - the US does the same.

    As for wayward states - well that's a matter of perspective of course, but from the US perspective 'wayward states' are those that turn away from it; such as Venezuela, Nicaragua, Egypt, etc... and yes Russia is courting them. He pretty much implicitly refers to Egypt in fact; when he mentioned those countries who turn to the US for help, don't get as much as they like, and then are courted by Russia.

    But anyway, the main thing about the article is not its political analysis but it's observations on the Russian military. And yes the mention of Russian moves on the Iraq military front, as well as the zigzagging of Russian reforms are both quite astute, and very rarely picked up on in other sources.

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    Russian Mistral will get helicopters in 2015
    The transfer of Russia's first helicopter type "Mistral" tentatively scheduled for 14th Novemnber


    Quote Originally Posted by Mitleser1987 View Post
    How is that not accurate?
    For instance, Iraq's armed forces are supported and supplied by Russia after the USA turned out to be unreliable.
    taking into account context that Iraq was first destroyed and pillaged by US and Co. IGIL? isn´t behind IGIL the same islamists who were just a months ago called ¨Syrian patriots¨ and handsomely sponsored? Thus expression asking USA for help seems to be somewhat not precise.

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    Well I wouldn't say the US destroyed Iraq, it destroyed itself. To be fair the US gave it a good chance to succeed but they themselves squandered it with their infighting and sectarian warfare.
    You could certainly accuse the US of unleashing such forces though - but they were always there below the surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamming_Python View Post
    Well I wouldn't say the US destroyed Iraq, it destroyed itself. To be fair the US gave it a good chance to succeed but they themselves squandered it with their infighting and sectarian warfare.
    You could certainly accuse the US of unleashing such forces though - but they were always there below the surface.
    Let´s agree to disagree. Before 2003 in Iraq there were so unnecessary things as work, food, health services, education or tap water. Did Iraqis destroy infrastructure themselves? did they bombed themselves with phosphorus bombs? Did they steal treasures of archeology? what about gold of Saddam? and funds from oil pumped for all that years?

    As for sectarian forces - you bomb USA, destroy administration and then you see ¨Escape form New York ¨ kinda landscape but of course you did not do it. Americans themselves.

    Compare to Libya with Gaddafi and now. Libyans did it themselves, right?




    Quote Originally Posted by Flamming_Python View Post
    Seems rather accurate.

    Yes, Russia is manipulating the media, or rather the media landscape I should say; with its own news channels and websites, etc... and indeed this form of 'soft power' has increased considerably over the past 5 years.
    Don't worry - the US does the same.

    +
    But anyway, the main thing about the article is not its political analysis but it's observations on the Russian military. And yes the mention of Russian moves on the Iraq military front, as well as the zigzagging of Russian reforms are both quite astute, and very rarely picked up on in other sources.
    As for military I can agree but as for media - well did RT try to overthrown US govt? were any NGOs form Russia preparing ¨stetson revolutions¨ to ¨overthrow aggressive regime with human rights´record¨? And Malaysian Boeing where is investigation results ? I saw newspapers crying loud ¨Putin killed my child¨ - Nobody even said I am sorry for FALSE accusations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunshipDemocracy View Post
    Let´s agree to disagree. Before 2003 in Iraq there were so unnecessary things as work, food, health services, education or tap water. Did Iraqis destroy infrastructure themselves? did they bombed themselves with phosphorus bombs? Did they steal treasures of archeology? what about gold of Saddam? and funds from oil pumped for all that years?

    As for sectarian forces - you bomb USA, destroy administration and then you see ¨Escape form New York ¨ kinda landscape but of course you did not do it. Americans themselves.
    What about Saddam's gassing of the Kurds in 1991?
    What about the Shi'ite absolute resentment towards Saddam's rule and distrust of the Iraqi army; which was dominated by Sunnis and their clan/family connections?

    Saddam Hussein wasn't a particularly effective administrator, nor nation-builder - he held Iraq together with brutality and terror; but actually solved none of its problems. Of course his rule was better than ISIS, sectarian conflict, suicide bombings, etc... but you can't blame people for wanting to build something better than what he did.

    It is true though that he presided over development of Iraq's industrialization and so on - but that was back in the 70s/80s, from the 90s onwards, due to US sanctions; Saddam basically had nothing going for him.

    Compare to Libya with Gaddafi and now. Libyans did it themselves, right?
    Well Libya really was destroyed by the US/France/Italy/Britain. They have no central government whatsoever anymore, nothing but tribal tensions where there were basically none before.
    But we're not talking about Libya here.

    The US fought for years to give Iraq a reasonable stable at the time, central government, with elections and so on. And then the militias eventually agreed to disarm and go into politics themselves; which was a great result considering that Sunnis/Shi'ites had always been at each others throats in the region. Kurdistan was pretty independent but still it loosely followed at least, Baghdad's authority. Iraq had all the chances in the world to succeed as of 2008/2009.

    As for military I can agree but as for media - well did RT try to overthrown US govt? were any NGOs form Russia preparing ¨stetson revolutions¨ to ¨overthrow aggressive regime with human rights´record¨? And Malaysian Boeing where is investigation results ? I saw newspapers crying loud ¨Putin killed my child¨ - Nobody even said I am sorry for FALSE accusations.
    Russia's not into the regime-change game - too unrealiable and also pointless without an ideological motive.

    But yeah I agree, the Western ones are rather worse behaved.

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    Rus-M heavy booster ready to start in 2018


    Russian Fund for Advanced Studies - about combat robots

    Russian AF received new Tu-214ON for Open Skies flights. BTW why Russia cannot revive this production until MS-21 is mass production ready? many countries in Africa or Asia can buy it if TCO is lower then A-320 or B-737

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamming_Python View Post
    What about Saddam's gassing of the Kurds in 1991?
    What about the Shi'ite absolute resentment towards Saddam's rule and distrust of the Iraqi army; which was dominated by Sunnis and their clan/family connections?
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    It is true though that he presided over development of Iraq's industrialization and so on - but that was back in the 70s/80s, from the 90s onwards, due to US sanctions; Saddam basically had nothing going for him.
    Hmm maybe you forgot to add that attack on Kurds were during Iran-Iraq war (when Saddam was still best pal of Rumsfeld). And during war things perception is slightly different.

    Clans, terror? IMHO Bush family and homeland security with armed drones against US citizens is not much difference besides PR.
    No, I am not saying Saddam was a saint, nevertheless as nothing goes without a context some numbers:



    1) Saddam - 3,200–5,000 killed
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack


    2) in Turk-Kurdish conflict since 78 29,704 Kurdish soldiers - civilians? 18,000 killed (independent estimate)+ aAdditional 20,000 killed by unknown assailants + additional 18,000 executed (independent estimate)



    3) Iraq body count after and due to US invasion: looks like ~1,000,000 to me
    https://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/numbers/2011/


    Raw numbers no comments.


    Quote Originally Posted by Flamming_Python View Post
    Well Libya really was destroyed by the US/France/Italy/Britain. They have no central government whatsoever anymore, nothing but tribal tensions where there were basically none before.
    But we're not talking about Libya here.
    yes we did. BTW salary of nurse during Gaddafi times was much higher in Libya that in any other country of EU in eastern Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamming_Python View Post
    The US fought for years to give Iraq a reasonable stable at the time, central government, with elections and so on.
    9/9/2008, Alan Greenspan, Chairman of the Federal Reserve through 2005. (from The Age of Turbulence, p.463)
    “I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil.”




    Quote Originally Posted by Flamming_Python View Post
    Russia's not into the regime-change game - too unreliable and also pointless without an ideological motive.

    But yeah I agree, the Western ones are rather worse behaved.
    My point was - Russia has been accused on manipulating media by a country that uses media + saboteurs and spies from NGOs to overthrow legitimate govts of countries, it wants to pillage


    Russia is defending and IMHO on medial war is not really winning :!

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    https://twitter.com/Rogozin/status/527456270585188352


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    oops I´ve just read - Vladivostok so not really BSF


    so some more good news for BSF then:

    A complete air defense system created in Crimea
    ¨In Crimea, a full-fledged air defence system that can reflect any attack means of air attack. It consists of complexes of the short/medium range "Pantsir" systems and long range systems type s-300PM¨
    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20141029/1030804945.html

    The frigate "Admiral Grigorovich" will be transferred to the Russian Navy in early November

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    MOSCOW, October 29. /TASS/. Strategic nuclear submarine Yuri Dolgoruky has launched a Bulava intercontinental ballistic missile from the Barents Sea towards the Kura testing range in Kamchatka, the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry told TASS on Wednesday. "The missile was launched from the submerged position," a spokesman said. "The parameters of the flight trajectory have been fulfilled as required. Data control shows the warheads of the missile reached the Kura testing facility successfully.
    http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/757230

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