Russian Armed Forces News & Discussion thread

[Maximmmm]

1) 20380 has CODAD propulsion, 20385 is CODAG (same gas turbines as Gorshkov class frigates)
2) 8 cell UKSK module instead of 8 Uran launchers
3) 16 Redut AD launchers instead of 12.
4) New sensor package with an AESA targeting radar in a single optronic integrated mast.

Jesus H Christ, if the F125 is a destroyer then this is a bloody battlecruiser.

[artjomh]

Jesus H Christ, if the F125 is a destroyer then this is a bloody battlecruiser.

Different priorities.

Germans want to build ships to support B+V/HDW/T-K, but don't want to look aggressive. So their ships are big, but underpowered.

Russians want each ship to be a Super Star Destroyer capable of doing everything, but they don't have the money for large ships. So their ships are small, but overpowered.

As long as German shipyards are building hulls and everyone is employed, noone in the Bundesmarine cares about the capabilities of their Navy. Different goals produce different results.

[Maximmmm]

Different priorities.

Germans want to build ships to support B+V/HDW/T-K, but don't want to look aggressive. So their ships are big, but underpowered.

Russians want each ship to be a Super Star Destroyer capable of doing everything, but they don't have the money for large ships. So their ships are small, but overpowered.

As long as German shipyards are building hulls and everyone is employed, noone in the Bundesmarine cares about the capabilities of their Navy. Different goals produce different results.

Aye, I like our tactic a bit more. Very awesome to imagine super star destroyers flying soviet navy colours

[void]

Different priorities.

Germans want to build ships to support B+V/HDW/T-K, but don't want to look aggressive. So their ships are big, but underpowered.

Russians want each ship to be a Super Star Destroyer capable of doing everything, but they don't have the money for large ships. So their ships are small, but overpowered.

As long as German shipyards are building hulls and everyone is employed, noone in the Bundesmarine cares about the capabilities of their Navy. Different goals produce different results.

It would be interesting to know the cost breakdown of typical warships. I would have thought that things like radars, sonars, weapons systems, etc. would make up the larger part of the cost than just the hull. Is building a larger hull while keeping the same weapons systems really that much more expensive? I guess with a larger hull you need a larger engine though...

[owais.usmani]

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120209/171227695.html

So finally, they decide.

[artjomh]

It would be interesting to know the cost breakdown of typical warships. I would have thought that things like radars, sonars, weapons systems, etc. would make up the larger part of the cost than just the hull. Is building a larger hull while keeping the same weapons systems really that much more expensive? I guess with a larger hull you need a larger engine though...

The admirals can't help themselves. "oh, this ship has more space than the old one? Why, let's stuff it with twice the armament"

Watch the Pentagon Wars thread about the Bradley. Russian admirals are exactly the same. They take a good idea and turbocharge to a point where it is no longer recognizable.

Steregushschy class was supposed to be a cheap, light, mass littoral patrol ship. But admirals thought it had crap AD, so they crammed it with the newest AD system. Then they realized that their sensors can't support this AD, so they completely changed the sensor package. And, of course, all ships have a new expensive VLS, so this one must have it as well. And because of all these new systems, the ship now has to be longer and several hundred tons larger. Now Steregushschy class is an expensive mini-Frigate that can't do the same things a frigate could, but costs almost the same.

The ship is a very nice design. That has been completely blown out of proportion and doesn't fit its niche anymore.

As Gorshkov would say: "Better is the enemy of good enough"

[Leo1]

Any news on when the Navy is going to get MiG-29Ks/KUBs for the Adm. Kuznetsov?

[Rubick]

1) 20380 has CODAD propulsion, 20385 is CODAG (same gas turbines as Gorshkov class frigates)
2) 8 cell UKSK module instead of 8 Uran launchers
3) 16 Redut AD launchers instead of 12.
4) New sensor package with an AESA targeting radar in a single optronic integrated mast.

You said there was no AESA last time. So which radar is it then now ?

Better yet give me your source.

[Maximmmm]

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120209/171227695.html

So finally, they decide.

Oh man, that just makes me so happy. Remember all the speculation about it we had a while back?

[artjomh]

You said there was no AESA last time. So which radar is it then now ?

Better yet give me your source.

Which last time? Vysotsky said the new mast will have "active phase shifters", able to track up to 500 targets and provide guidance for "several dozens".

[Sashko]

Aye, I like our tactic a bit more. Very awesome to imagine super star destroyers flying soviet navy colours

Don't really have to imagine - Kirov/Orlan class is as close to a star destroyer as it gets. With Iowa class being a close second.

[African-European]

Russia to convert Belgorod Submarine for Special Mission

Russia’s Sevmash shipyard is to convert the multirole Project 949AM nuclear submarine Belgorod for a “series of special missions,” the navy’s head Admiral Vladimir Vysotsky said on Thursday.Construction of the Belgorod has been suspended since the sinking of its sister ship, the Kursk, a cruise missile armed boat, in 2000.“Belgorod will be completed as a special project. The boat will have many special tasks ahead of it,” Vysotsky said.The Russian Navy has several submarines for what it terms “special missions,” but information about them remains classified.The Project 949M class has a displacement of 23,860 tons, a length of 150 meters, speed of 33 knots and crew of 118.

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120209/171227695.html

Artjomh or other Russian member, any idea about these "special missions" ?


Workshops Where Sukhoi Su-34 Fullback Fighte-Bombers are Assembled

On February 8, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin overseeing the national defense industry visited the Chkalov Aircraft Production Association in Novosibirsk (NAPO) manufacturing Sukhoi Su-34 Fullback fighter-bombers. The enterprise also upgrades Sukhoi Su-24M Fencer-D attack aircraft

In 2012, the Russian Defense Ministry is to receive ten Sukhoi Su-34 Fullback fighter-bombers

The Su-34 fighter-bomber, due to replace Su-24 warplanes, will become the mainstay of Russia’s tactical aviation units.

NAPO mass produces Su-34 fighter-bombers.

The Russian Air Force currently operates 12 Su-34s. Deliveries are made in compliance with a contract for the manufacture of 32 production fixed-wing aircraft. Unlike its predecessor, the new warplane is easier to fly, more ergonomic, and it also features numerous flight automation systems.

NAPO is a major national fixed-wing aircraft manufacturer

Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, foreground right, and Mikhail Pogosyan, the president of the United Aircraft Corporation, background center, visit NAPO

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Bulava carrying submarines to enter service in the summer

Russia’s newest nuclear-powered submarines, the Yury Dolgoruky and the Alexander Nevsky, will be put into operation in the summer, Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said on Thursday.The Yury Dolgoruky will enter service in June and the Alexander Nevsky in August, he said.The Borey-class subs will be armed with Bulava intercontinental ballistic missiles but Serdyukov did not say exactly when the troubled missile will enter service.The Yury Dolgoruky’s construction began in 1996 at the Sevmash shipyard and was completed in 2008. It has a crew of 130 and will be armed with 16 Bulava SLBMs and six SS-N-15 cruise missiles.President Dmitry Medvedev said in late December that the flight tests of the Bulava SLBM were completed and it will now be adopted for service with the Russian Navy. Russia successfully test launched two Bulava missiles on December 23.They were the 18th and 19th test launches of the troubled Bulava. Only 11 launches have been officially declared successful.But some analysts suggest that in reality the number of failures is considerably larger. Russian military expert Pavel Felgenhauer said that of the Bulava's first 12 test launches, only one was entirely successful. Despite several previous failures officially blamed on manufacturing faults, the Russian military has insisted that there is no alternative to the Bulava. The Bulava (SS-NX-30) SLBM, developed by the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology (since 1998), carries up to 10 MIRV warheads and has a range of over 8,000 kilometers (5,000 miles). The three-stage ballistic missile is designed for deployment on Borey-class nuclear submarines.

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120209/171236845.html

Russian "military expert" Pavel Felgenhauer mao. For those that don't know this clown read his weekly Russia bashing articles at jamestown.org

[Rubick]

Which last time? Vysotsky said the new mast will have "active phase shifters", able to track up to 500 targets and provide guidance for "several dozens".

In the photo thread. But if i'am mistaken ..apologise. No harm was meant.

Do you have a link to Vysotsky statement ? Not that I doubt thy word, Herr Artjomh.

[GunshipDemocracy]

Russian "military expert" Pavel Felgenhauer mao. For those that don't know this clown read his weekly Russia bashing articles at jamestown.org

how the f$#%^ Russian Information Agencies can employ CIA paid agent from all that NGOs?! There so many roads to be build in Siberia...

[African-European]

how the f$#%^ Russian Information Agencies can employ CIA paid agent from all that NGOs?! There so many roads to be build in Siberia...

Which Russian Information Agencies is he working for? The guy is a self appointed "military expert" hired by jamestown.


Saint Petersbug Radar to be put in alert in februari

This month a new radar of the Voronezh class will be put on alert duty near Russia’s second largest city of St. Petersburg as part of Russia’s early warning system, a missile defense spokesman said on Thursday.The current overhaul of Russia’s missile defenses is also due to the new strategic challenges presented by the U.S.-led missile shield plans in Europe.“New generation missile warning radar in the Leningrad Region will be put on alert duty in February 2012,” said Col. Alexei Zolotukhin, spokesman for the missile defense troops in the Russian Defense Ministry.The radar in the Leningrad Region was built in 2006 and until recently was operated in a test mode, he said.Two other Voronezh class radars are already operating in a test mode in Armavir in the Black Sea area and in Pionersky near Russia's westernmost exclave of Kaliningrad. Another one near the Siberian city of Irkutsk will be put into test mode operation later this year.The Voronezh class radars are a serious breakthrough compared to the previous generation radars of the Dnepr and Daryal class. The radar in Pionersky has a range of 6,000 kilometers and can simultaneously track around 500 objects.Under the national defense program until 2020, the Defense Ministry is to replace all Soviet long-range radars and close all gaps in radar coverage on Russia's borders.