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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximmmm View Post
    Here's a good article on it: http://flotprom.ru/publications/actual/prenatalscars/
    Basically the design went through a ton of changes. Originally they projected it with the standard armament, so 100mm main gun, grad-M (like on the buyans), 2x Palash and some jamming equipment.
    That all went down the drain and now all it will be armed with is x2 Ak-630M Duet (the two-barreled one) and 2x regular Ak-630.

    The ship is practically harmless now.
    It's hardly going to be going in alone. Perhaps they reasoned that this armament will be redundant. It makes sense to fit AA and Anti-Ship missiles on as many craft as possible as these are constant threats for any naval force. But artillery support to marines in the form of main cannon fire and Grad missiles is a far more specific mission, there is perhaps no need for more than 1-2 ships in the task-force to have such capabilities.

    At least that's my take on it :P
    Personally though I think it would have been worth it, to have it pack more of a punch. At least to have kept the Grad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximmmm View Post
    Here's a good article on it: http://flotprom.ru/publications/actual/prenatalscars/
    That all went down the drain and now all it will be armed with is x2 Ak-630M Duet (the two-barreled one) and 2x regular Ak-630.
    The ship is practically harmless now.
    and why a landing ship is supposed to have any more firepower then for self-defense?

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    Well I personally think they did it because the project has been sitting there forever and they just want it done ASAP and as cheap as they can.
    Packing a bit more punch would have been keeping up with soviet BDK doctrine. The Ropucha, our most successful landing ship class (build in Poland) has about the same armament as the Gren would have had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raden5 View Post
    Maybe - this is due to a decrease in the role of "parachuting" and increase the role of "airmobile".That is quite different things, and makes it possible to equip the VDV more than heavy machinery.
    But this - version...
    Hello Raden5.

    So, if i understand this correctly: The BMD-4M isnt being bought due to the fact that the Russian MoD decreases the role of the VDV in strategic warfare and wants it to be a lighter (less machines, more paratroop oriented) and more tactical force?

    Quote Originally Posted by XTX-Horus View Post
    -Is the R-74 a further development of the R-73M, R-73M1 or the R-73M2?

    -Does the R-74M have the same 75 degree off-bore seeker head range of the R-74E ("normal" R-73 has a 60 degree off-bore)?

    -Does the "R-74-PD" exist in some form or another? On Ausairpower.net, Carlo Kopp posted an article talking about a possible R-74 modification in which you put the R-74 on top of the Rocketbooster of the R-27 to transform the R-74 into a BVR ranged missile with WVR missile performance. Here is the link to the page i am talking about (Scroll to about a quarter to a third the way down):

    >>http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-200408-1.html
    Bump to get these questions awnsered correctly as i am quite curious to say the least.

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    It's just a landing ship, so from that point of view I can see how it wouldn't need any of that armament. On the other hand I also see how it WOULD need all of that armament. They should've left it at least with a Palash for self-defence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XTX-Horus View Post
    Hello Raden5.

    So, if i understand this correctly: The BMD-4M isnt being bought due to the fact that the Russian MoD decreases the role of the VDV in strategic warfare and wants it to be a lighter (less machines, more paratroop oriented) and more tactical force?
    "Russia will develop a new military doctrine by the end of 2012..." (с)

    I am not able to predict the future.

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    Can't answer your second question Horus, not knowledgeable enough xD

    As for the BMD we simply don't know.
    -Option one is they're waiting for one for the new platforms under development and don't want to waste precious money on older systems.
    -Option two is the VDV will undergo some serious structural changes, giving the force different capabilities and equipment
    -Option three is that there's a limited amount of money that's being given to the VDV with all the other purchases going on and they simply can't purchase it at the moment.

    I think the first option is most likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubick View Post
    Didn't he have the entire hand in the Pentium processors. The whole line was named after him from what i read here.
    Not really. The whole project was started back in early 90s, and when Pentkovsky joined in, IIRC, 1996, the first series of P1 were already long on the shelves. On the other hand, the collaboration between ITMiVT and Intel started as early as in 1991, so he was at least well known to Intel bosses at the time.

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    No way a company would name their most soughtafter(worldwide!) product after a single project' participant who is known to be a rival country citizen, no matter how big was his contribution. Pentkovsky / Pentium names are just a coincidence.

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    Sources in the Navy Staff are saying that the Yasen class submarines will be armed with "hypersonic missiles with a range of 1000 km".

    http://www.lenta.ru/news/2012/04/25/yasen/

    Well, there are your first stats on BrahMos 2/Oniks 2.

    By method of exclusion, Klub is subsonic and has a range of 2500 km. BrahMos is supersonic, but not hypersonic. By exclusion, this means they are referring to BrahMos 2.

    1000 km is pretty good for a hypersonic missile in the 9 by 0.7 meter dimensions.

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    Or Zircon-S.

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    I think Zircon-S is the same thing as BrahMos 2.

    "Mineral" name, supersonic cruise missile. Who else do you think is making it if not NPO Mash, makers of Amethyst, Bazalt, Granite, Malachite, Onyx, etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by artjomh View Post
    I think Zircon-S is the same thing as BrahMos 2.

    "Mineral" name, supersonic cruise missile. Who else do you think is making it if not NPO Mash, makers of Amethyst, Bazalt, Granite, Malachite, Onyx, etc?

    Related i think, distanten cousin at that but i'd be suprised if Zircon-S and Brahmos are same missile's.

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    I seriously doubt they are developing several different missiles, at least as far as propulsion and materials are concerned (which is 90% of the work).

    As per usual, Indians are going to get gimped range and indigenous electronics, but in all important ways, I seriously doubt that these two missiles are from different R&D projects. That's just not economically efficient, especially since NPO Mash is given an opportunity to develop a missile on Indian dime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artjomh View Post
    I think Zircon-S is the same thing as BrahMos 2.

    "Mineral" name, supersonic cruise missile. Who else do you think is making it if not NPO Mash, makers of Amethyst, Bazalt, Granite, Malachite, Onyx, etc?
    But it is not yet known - what kind "ten types of guided high-precision aircraft and naval weapons" develops the JSC TMC.

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