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    Physics was never my strength

    Well here is official USN ONI estimates on Russian Submarine Noise level , although they dont quote any number for it but just a scale



    Intersting thing is they think the twin screw Oscar 2 is quiter than Akula 1

    I wonder where does Sea Wolf or Virginia class SSN will fall in that chart ?
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    So here's a quick bit of news on the Severodvinsk: http://www.navy.ru/news/navy/?ELEMENT_ID=119906
    Chirkov is pretty much killing the recent rumours on the sub saying they hope to have it join the fleet by the end of this year.

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    http://www.vestnik-rm.ru/index.php?m...ow&c=4&id=1676
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    Big brother "Hammer" and the T-95 was created by designers from the Sverdlovsk


    In the 70 years of the Soviet Union created a new self-propelled gun, which is the originality and now can compete with many novelties of the world defense industry. For years, this war machine went real legends, some consider it a prototype of another mysterious home development - the T-95, and some, far from the topic, do not confuse them accepting the ACS for the latest main battle tank of Nizhny Tagil.

    But it happened much later, when the curtain of mystery a little sleep and when working on the ACS had been long abandoned.

    In the mid 70's, work began on the creation of new machines, which first had to complete, and then change is not so old at the time self-propelled gun 2S3 "Acacia". Work on the outlandish, a hitherto unknown structure were led nachotdela special equipment CDB Nicholas Tupitsyna.

    Appearance of the car is admired, even after more than three decades after completion of construction of the metal. They say that foreign experts fell into prostration, when they learned that the car was designed in the second half of the 70's.

    Some sources indicate that the self-propelled gun on the same chassis with ACS 2S19 "MSTA". But this is a mistake. As the base was chosen is already well-proven chassis of the T-72. Of course, some improvements were made, the adaptation of "semdesyatdvoechnoy" Running a self-propelled artillery needs. In particular, significantly changed the location of rollers. They were grouped into three pieces on each side of the stern and the bow machine. Was modified suspension.

    We have previously mentioned that the Russian designers from the late 50's we worked on innovative schemes of weapons into tanks for such work back in the 70's, but were the first to gunners from Sverdlovsk. They put the crew and mounted automatic loader separately from the gun, which was isolated from humans and ammunition on the cabin. For a rounded shape it was called "hockey", soon the nickname "glued" to the entire car.

    Altogether, the two prototypes, one was armed with a weapon of ACS "Acacia", another from 2S5 "Hyacinth." Bold by design crew rescued from the stifling scents of powder gases, increased rate of fire weapons. The unification of the tank reduces manufacturing expenses. However, for various reasons, was preferred to the traditional technical solutions.

    A "puck", which for many years concealed, will join the country's history, as an example of an innovative approach. Especially since the car was not incurable defects, if desired it can be quite bring to mind.

    Up to now "survived" a machine gun with the "Hyacinth", it is demonstrated in the museum "Uraltransmash."

    "Bulletin of Mordovia"

    File photo of Vlad Biełahruda. Published with permission.

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    http://otvaga2004.ru/armiya-i-vpk/ar...ntnyj-vodevil/

    So the VDV wants the BMD-4M according to this ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo1 View Post
    http://otvaga2004.ru/armiya-i-vpk/ar...ntnyj-vodevil/

    So the VDV wants the BMD-4M according to this ...
    I hope MoD can stare down VDV in this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mousepad View Post
    I hope MoD can stare down VDV in this one.
    I hope not, since there is no alternative to BMD-4M, not even in the plans. So called Kurganets program is not suited for such mobility to replace BMDs, the only and most important point for it to be airdroppable and the one why it doesn't suit VDV.
    Well, that's my personal oppinion. Maybe MOD thinks otherwise, dropping 20+ tons via chutes...

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    KMZ had repeatedly stated that Kurganets is a highly modular and modifiable platform, and that they already have started designing a ~12-13 ton airdroppable version, by shortening it to four roadwheels and using aluminum armor panels instead of steel ones (because it reportedly has a modular armor).

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    Quote Originally Posted by _GDS_ View Post
    I hope not, since there is no alternative to BMD-4M, not even in the plans. So called Kurganets program is not suited for such mobility to replace BMDs, the only and most important point for it to be airdroppable and the one why it doesn't suit VDV.
    Well, that's my personal oppinion. Maybe MOD thinks otherwise, dropping 20+ tons via chutes...
    Because the VDV has been doing so much parachuting into theather with vehicles in the past...oh...50 years? It's ridiculous that they, as designated "shock troops" which also (or better yet, exclusively up to this day) enter any combat area via ground, don't have proper heavy infantry fighting vehicles, but instead drive into battle with light vehicles which were designed to be air-droppable but therefore don't offer space nor protection to effectively move ground troops.

    I mean it's good that they keep air-drop cpaable vehicles, but they should also aquire proper infantry fighting vehicles that they can use when they don't parachute in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    Because the VDV has been doing so much parachuting into theather with vehicles in the past...oh...50 years? It's ridiculous that they, as designated "shock troops" which also (or better yet, exclusively up to this day) enter any combat area via ground, don't have proper heavy infantry fighting vehicles, but instead drive into battle with light vehicles which were designed to be air-droppable but therefore don't offer space nor protection to effectively move ground troops.

    I mean it's good that they keep air-drop cpaable vehicles, but they should also aquire proper infantry fighting vehicles that they can use when they don't parachute in.
    Exactly...

    Also, even if BMD line will be pushed thru by VDV lobby, in the long run they'll bump into a dead end as some sort of armored neanderthal, while all recourses (engineering, production, maintenance and finance) rotate around Armata/Kurganets project, BMD will be left for dead eventually and VDV will stuck with them.

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    +1 to what Khathi said

    Also when everybody has same platform, then every branch can unite and start combined whine sort of "Whhaaaaa we neeed newwww gizmos for our toys, just like *sob* mericuuuns haz", that makes lobbying and upgrading much more easy.
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    Russian Airforce to Start Receiving Mig-35 by 2014
    "According to the state program of armaments MiG-35 in 2014 will go to equip the Russian Air Force" - said Korotkov, who took part in the air show to celebrate the centenary in Zhukovsky Air Force, reports "Interfax" .

    [FONT=Times New Roman]"The question of the additional purchase of these fighters," - he said.


    http://vz.ru/news/2012/8/11/592954.html]vz.ru

    Russian Paratroopers tested out new 120mm mortar
    Servicemen Airborne Brigade of the Southern Military District held live firing using the new 120-mm semiautomatic mortars, said district spokesman Col. Igor Gorbulev.

    Shooting took place in preparation for the military-strategic exercises "Caucasus-2012", which will take place in southern Russia in September.

    Gorbulya said that the calculations carried out more than 30 mortars firing at a range of 800 to 8000 meters.

    Tow breech-loading 120 mm mortar 2B23 "Nona-M1" with a rifled barrel has high accuracy and rate of fire high-explosive shots. Calculation mortar consists of five people, can parachute from transport aircraft to parachute platform.
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    Interview with CEO of Miltitary-Industrial Company
    "Boomerang" give Russia a world leader in the production of wheeled armored vehicles
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    It's ridiculous that they, as designated "shock troops" which also (or better yet, exclusively up to this day) enter any combat area via ground, don't have proper heavy infantry fighting vehicles, but instead drive into battle with light vehicles which were designed to be air-droppable but therefore don't offer space nor protection to effectively move ground troops.
    They aren't "shock troops" they are quick reaction force with very high readiness.
    During Soviet Afghan war. DshB's(ДШБ-airborn assault battalions) were established with up armored BMP-2D IFVs these battalions should retain "shock troops" status.

    Also when everybody has same platform, then every branch can unite and start combined whine sort of "Whhaaaaa we neeed newwww gizmos for our toys, just like *sob* mericuuuns haz", that makes lobbying and upgrading much more easy.
    Well, BMP-3 initialy was planned also as one platform for VDV and ground troops and naval infantry, but we all know where it ended - being too heavy for a paradrop. And this is why I have doubts about unified platform "Kurganets" being suited for VDV.

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    Let the engine. We have a good example of cooperation with the Austrians. In Yaroslavl, together we built a new factory for the production of modern diesel engines, which are installed on our machine. For example, the "Tiger" and "bears" are engines of 534-th and 536-series. Let me tell you a big secret: the "Boomerang" will be set exactly the same engines.
    from the link above

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    Quote Originally Posted by _GDS_ View Post
    Well, BMP-3 initialy was planned also as one platform for VDV and ground troops and naval infantry, but we all know where it ended - being too heavy for a paradrop. And this is why I have doubts about unified platform "Kurganets" being suited for VDV.
    USSR spared nothing to equip it's Army and have multiple platforms for every branch, Russia must be more realistic in it's spending, as in Khati post Kurganets will be modular, so they can reconfigure it for a mission at hand, and my bet is on heavy armor set used way more often, more so i'm quite sure VDV will see some MBTs in it's ranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mousepad View Post
    USSR spared nothing to equip it's Army and have multiple platforms for every branch, Russia must be more realistic in it's spending, as in Khati post Kurganets will be modular, so they can reconfigure it for a mission at hand, and my bet is on heavy armor set used way more often, more so i'm quite sure VDV will see some MBTs in it's ranks.
    The whole modular concept will be a big bonus, especially in the financial sense. Which would make...making a light/med tank for VDV, and IFV a lot easier and cheaper in the long run (parts and all). Logisitically better too, since parts will become easier and cheaper to get.

    If they get a BMD-4M now, then it will be harder to justify the replacement of it when Kurganets and Boomerang come out, and it would end up costing a lot overall logistically when they have more than one type of system in use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sepheronx View Post
    The whole modular concept will be a big bonus, especially in the financial sense. Which would make...making a light/med tank for VDV, and IFV a lot easier and cheaper in the long run (parts and all). Logisitically better too, since parts will become easier and cheaper to get.

    If they get a BMD-4M now, then it will be harder to justify the replacement of it when Kurganets and Boomerang come out, and it would end up costing a lot overall logistically when they have more than one type of system in use.
    I believe that very important in understanding motives of VDV and MoD is time perspective to nearest conflict. If MoD believes that there is more then enough time to fully equip army with new transporters that fine but what if conflict will be closer? then surely BMD-4M is better then currently used vehicles.

    The same refers to importing Italian Freccia and Centauro vehicles. Why to import ones since MoD would like to have one Russian platform? IMHO again - technology that will come with production. The technology that have been lost in 90s or did not exist yet during USSR.

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