Russian Armed Forces News & Discussion thread

[The Dane]

Look at where they are made.

I can tell you exactly where.

Yeah, but they are not developed there.
China is just a big factory, they don't come up with anything new themselves.

[sepheronx]

Yeah, but they are not developed there.
China is just a big factory, they don't come up with anything new themselves.

No. But that is to go the way soon as well. Like how Japan took over with a lot of the high tech R&D (where the world was scared that they where going to reign supreme during the 80's supposedly). It is only a matter of time. R&D in Russia for technology still exists. But their manufacturing is crap (apparently). Most of it comes from Taiwan/China.

Edit: Just to say, when my dad worked for Sperry Marine, he explained that a lot of components came from Japan.

[artjomh]

What was the lack of production (other than money)? Outdated?

At the time, the only problem was money.

Now it is quite obsolete.

[sepheronx]

At the time, the only problem was money.

Now it is quite obsolete.

I would guess so. Shame really.

[Andy_UA]

There was a project to finish the ship as a training ship proj,12441U "Borodino" but it seems it didn't take off.
Here is some info - http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1208914
http://forums.airbase.ru/2001/02/t20...k-proekta.html

The hull of it in Kaliningrad -

[potentialenemy.ru]

Americans and Russians - both are very uncomfortable that the latest 'defence' chips would be made somewhere in Taiwan.

China is just a big factory, they don't come up with anything new themselves.

Loongson

[Austin]

There is always conflicting numbers mentioned for SAP 2011-2020 spending by MOD,President and PM

Putin mentions yesterday Defence modernization overdue – Putin

He spoke about 3 trillion roubles to modernize defence industries and 20 trillion, to procure cutting-edge arms.

So is it 20 Trillion roubles plus another 3 Trillion for R&D total 23 Trillion roubles.

Or it is 19 Trillion roubles like president has been quoted.

Can some one clarrify on the exact figures ?

[Andy_UA]

So is it 20 Trillion roubles plus another 3 Trillion for R&D total 23 Trillion roubles.

Or it is 19 Trillion roubles like president has been quoted.

Can some one clarrify on the exact figures ?

The 3 Trillion rouble is separate program. Its called "Federal target program - Modernisation of MIC 2011-2020" or smth.
The SAP is rumoured around 19 Trillion for MoD, and 2-2.5 for FSB, MVD etc.
Popovkin I guess in his last interview as a deputy defence minister said that numbers for MoD will not decrease and can only increase over time.

[Austin]

I wonder what FSB would have to do with MOD funding , considering it does not come under it.

What happened to SAP 2005-2015 program , will both the old SAP and new one will continue in parallel or will new SAP program absorb the old one including its funding ?

[artjomh]

I wonder what FSB would have to do with MOD funding , considering it does not come under it.

State Armament Program covers MoD, FSB, police, drug control, correctional service, etc. Everyone who gets lethal equipment gets it under this program.

FSB has a pretty big arms procurement budget (for Coast Guard).

[Austin]

How strange the Coast Guard comes under FSB , while in most nations it would come under the Navy. It would be similar to USCG coming under the FBI.

artjomh , are you aware if such massive funding ( ~ $800 Billion ) under SAP 2011-2020 , how would they fund such massive expenditure and what impact would it have on long term budget deficit ?

[artjomh]

The same way all budgets are funded: expanding economy + more mineral extraction taxes + sovereign bond issues.

5-7 years ago, Russian federal budget used to balance if crude oil price averaged around $25/barrel. FY 2010 budget would have balanced if oil averaged $95/barrel. FY 2011 budget will balance if oil averages $115/barrel.

So, yeah, all those toys cost (although it's still a relatively minor component, the main headache is social spending).

[MaxII]

Apologies if this has been posted here already. I looked and did not see it anywhere.

Russia's Fading Army Fights Losing Battle to Reform Itself
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...s_mostpop_read




Interesting reads here: http://russiamil.wordpress.com/2011/...rys-old-guard/

[Austin]

5-7 years ago, Russian federal budget used to balance if crude oil price averaged around $25/barrel. FY 2010 budget would have balanced if oil averaged $95/barrel. FY 2011 budget will balance if oil averages $115/barrel.

By balance you would mean no deficit in the budget for that FY ..... I remember the Fin Minister saying any thing above $70 for Oil would be good.

The Russian budget and for that matter is too much dependent on oil prices , they need to figure out a way how to decouple it by diversifying its economy or else its a disaster waiting to happen , Oil money should just be a surplus money .

So, yeah, all those toys cost (although it's still a relatively minor component, the main headache is social spending).

I would say its still better use of money then spending in shiny new weapons

[sepheronx]

Apologies if this has been posted here already. I looked and did not see it anywhere.

Russia's Fading Army Fights Losing Battle to Reform Itself
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...s_mostpop_read




Interesting reads here: http://russiamil.wordpress.com/2011/...rys-old-guard/

That article, like most from Wall Street Journal, is a load of bollocks.

The same way all budgets are funded: expanding economy + more mineral extraction taxes + sovereign bond issues.

5-7 years ago, Russian federal budget used to balance if crude oil price averaged around $25/barrel. FY 2010 budget would have balanced if oil averaged $95/barrel. FY 2011 budget will balance if oil averages $115/barrel.

So, yeah, all those toys cost (although it's still a relatively minor component, the main headache is social spending).

Hopefully they can reduce dependency on the raw natural resources, and start to rely on total economy of the nation.