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    Is IVAN GREN first of class launched yet ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xav View Post
    Is IVAN GREN first of class launched yet ?
    No, it's in a freeze.

    As per Liner, I agree withAustin, it gives Russia an upload potential similar to the US Navy (Trident can carry 12 RVs, but carries only 4). This has been a major American advantage over the past decade, since most Russian missiles are currently loaded to the max, while American forces have a significant treaty breakout capability. Liner gives Russia a measure of strategic flexibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artjomh View Post
    No, it's in a freeze.
    Why?

    All info on wiki is

    The hull of Ivan Gren is scheduled to be completed by the end of November 2010 and then saturation works and installation of the bulkheads will follow. In accordance with the schedule, the ship should be launched in late 2011. In 2012 Ivan Gren will be delivered to the orderer.[2][1] On October 9, 2010 a contract to increase work on the vessel was signed. [3] There are also plans to build four more ships.

    Can you tell me what happened or direct me to a link?

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    BTW is ОМОН being renamed to ООН now? At least in St.P. This could lead to confusion when one is asked about his job and he answers that he works for OOH. ^_^

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    Has some updare on Morpheus and other SAM , Can some one translate the key parts ?

    http://lenta.ru/news/2011/08/09/morphey/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xav View Post
    Why?
    Just looking at recent photos of the hull. It's been out on the open building slip for months and not much has changed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    Has some updare on Morpheus and other SAM , Can some one translate the key parts ?

    http://lenta.ru/news/2011/08/09/morphey/
    Nothing new there. Morfei is 5 km radius defense system for military objects with passive and active defense measures. One unit has been constructed and may be shown at MAKS 2011 (that last part is journalist's imagination, 100%)

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    Quote Originally Posted by artjomh View Post
    No, it's in a freeze.

    As per Liner, I agree withAustin, it gives Russia an upload potential similar to the US Navy (Trident can carry 12 RVs, but carries only 4). This has been a major American advantage over the past decade, since most Russian missiles are currently loaded to the max, while American forces have a significant treaty breakout capability. Liner gives Russia a measure of strategic flexibility.
    Borei Class:

    24000 tons submerged
    16 missiles
    8000-10000 km range (estimated)
    6-10 warhead each

    Ohio Class:

    18750 tons submerged
    24 missiles
    11300 km range (estimated)
    8-12 warhead each


    What's the origin of these differences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kontemplador View Post
    What's the origin of these differences?
    Which differences? These are two different submarine classes. They are designed by different people. So they are different.

    PS: Bulava has 6 warheads, this is official.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artjomh View Post
    Which differences? These are two different submarine classes. They are designed by different people. So they are different.

    PS: Bulava has 6 warheads, this is official.

    The large difference in payload between those two. Ohios are lighter submarines and nevertheless carry more missiles that have longer range (they are heavier) and have more warheads.


    OK. It may be matter of doctrine and not technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by void View Post
    Also, dont focus too much on throw weight and such. There isn't much point anymore to have a missile with a huge throw weight when youre limited to 1500 strategic warheads by treaty. You dont want to have all of your warheads on only a few missiles because then all of your eggs are in only a few baskets, which means they are less survivable. Much better to have lots of smaller missiles carrying only a few warheads each, then your nuclear deterrent as a whole is more survivable.
    Sorry but I didn't get this.

    Does START also puts a limit on the combined yield of deployed warheads? I thought it only defines the max number of deployed warheads, not the yield of deployed warheads??

    So notwithstanding the small throw weight (and consequently, smaller warheads of bulava), can a ~ 75kt bulava warhead disable & destroy a hardened Minuteman silo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kontemplador View Post
    The large difference in payload between those two. Ohios are lighter submarines and nevertheless carry more missiles that have longer range (they are heavier) and have more warheads.


    OK. It may be matter of doctrine and not technology.
    It is a different approach.

    Trident D5 uses a membrane for dry launch. Bulava uses a TPK (launch container). Because of the container, Bulava missile shafts are significantly larger than the diameter of the missile itself.

    This has certain advantages (potential upgrade to a larger missile), but also certain disadvantages (larger overall sub displacement).

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    Russia developing new air defense systems

    MOSCOW, August 9 (RIA Novosti)
    Russia is developing two air defense systems as part of future multilayered aerospace defense network, Air Force Commander Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said on Tuesday.
    "The Morfey is a short-range air defense system with effective range of five kilometers," Zelin said. "It is designed to protect military installations and has both active and passive weapons [launchers and radars]."
    Another system, the Vityaz, is a further development of the S-300 medium-range air defense system, whose combat capabilities largely surpass those of its predecessor.
    "In fact, it could be considered a brand new system," Zelin said, adding that the Vityaz would have a launcher with 16 missiles compared to only four on the S-300.
    Both systems will complement the S-400 and S-500 air defense systems in the future aerospace defense network to engage targets at ranges from 5 to 400 kilometers, and at altitudes from 5 meters to near space.
    The Morfey, the Vityaz and the S-500 are expected to enter service with the Russian Air Force in 2015, while the S-400 has been in service since 2007.
    Zelin said the Russian Air Force would receive two more regiments of S-400 Triumf air defense systems by the end of 2011 in addition to two regiments already deployed in the Moscow Region.
    The S-400 (SA-21 Growler) system can engage targets at a maximum range of up to 400 kilometers at altitudes of up to 50,000 meters.
    The system uses a range of missiles optimized for intercepting ballistic and cruise missiles. It can simultaneously track up to 300 targets and engage 36 of them.
    An S-400 air defense regiment consists of two or three battalions equipped with four systems each. Russia is planning to arm 56 battalions with S-400 systems by 2020

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    so, turns out that test launch of "Sineva" 20 may 2011 was really a test launch of new "Liner" missile (modified R-29?). anybody have additional info?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asch View Post
    so, turns out that test launch of "Sineva" 20 may 2011 was really a test launch of new "Liner" missile (modified R-29?). anybody have additional info?
    This was reasonably well-known for a while. Makeyev's press release just confirmed the scuttlebutt. Liner is Sineva with a new delivery package.

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