Final part of the documtary showing the attacks and Massoud's funeral:
And she was wrong...Talibum are not Al Qaeda. And Al Qaeda is not Talibum. You keep repeating that libyan Mantra, No afghan will harm another afghan. The fact is that you're wrong. It's obvious that you're on your little crusade to blame Pakistan only for the Taliban. Fact is that Afghanistan's Pashtuns are as much a problem than Pakistan.
Final part of the documtary showing the attacks and Massoud's funeral:
Massoud was a honorable man. A heroic man who warned us what was going to happen. My respects to him, may he rest in peace.
Your rants remind me of Charlie Sheen with less “winning” and more “verbal diarrhea.” You miss the point again and again. You trot on that idiotic horse of half-assed guessing and strawman fallacies without any attempt to comprehend what is being said here. Another "beatdown" from you I am assuming?Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe
Either your grammar truly represents your grasp of the English language or you are....just an idiot...plain and simple. Which one is it?
You take my remark that the Taliban and Al Qaida as being one entity and build a straw man out of it..."no Afghan will harm another Afghan." Where have I stated this? I wholly disagree and believe Afghans are fully capable of harming each other as any group with ethnic/political/ideological divisions especially if they support extremist ideologies/interests.
Julie Sirrs was right. A little history on the Taliban for our confused twit here: When the Taliban was initially formed; it was an Afghan movement that started out of the chaos in Kandahar. Around the same time, Gulbudeen was falling out of favor with Pakistan for failing to achieve any of its objectives (capture Kabul, etc.) and so the ISI saw the Taliban as a fresh opportunity to extend its influence into Afghanistan. This was when the Pakistan support began (military, logistical, funds, soldiers, etc. etc.). Read Ghost Wars….Bhutto talks in her interview with Steve Coll about how she basically gave the ISI a blank check to do what they could to assist the Taliban without her realizing it at the time. In capturing Jalalabad, bin Laden who was initially skeptical of the Taliban and their motives was welcomed by the Taliban as a "holy warrior' from his days during the Soviet war. It was during this time that the Taliban and Al Qaida were two separate entities. However, the time when Julie Sirrs had visited Afghanistan, the relationship with the Taliban/Al Qaida had grown and become a symbiotic entity that relied on each other alongside the ISI/Pakistan for their mutual goals. Their ideology was the same (salafi/wahabi), their desire to spread extremism all around the world was the same, their methods of achieving this were the same (terrorism and brutalize the population), and they both worked in coordination with the ISI to achieve this as it was also in the interests of Pakistan (to give them strategic depth in Afghanistan and the CIS to counter India’s strength)….and for f—ks sake…. Mullah Omar’s daughter married bin Laden’s son…if that isn’t enough to make you realize how closely intertwined the Taliban/Al Qaida were, I don’t know what will. Somehow you miss all this and think they are different because one was called the Taliban and the other was called Al Qaida? I don’t know if I need to draw an easier example for simpletons like you to grasp…but let’s try…..think of it as Oreo cookie. Yes, the cream and biscuit are two separate entities on their own when they aren’t stuck together, but when good ole biscuit gives a daughter to good ole cream’s son and decides what the f—k we share the same ideology, the same method of ruling and spreading our views, and the same friends, let’s just work together …it becomes one Oreo cookie…not a biscuit and cream. Got it little Johnny?
The Afghan Pashtuns of course are partly to blame for their lack of resistance to the Taliban (however there were exceptions Haq, Sayyaf, Qadir, Karzai - who later formed the Pashtun wing of resistance against the Taliban). However, what you fail to realize is how much support the Taliban lacked in the later years amongst Afghan Pashtuns. It was for this reason bin Laden would send his most hardcore group of Arab fighters to fight alongside the Taliban due to lack of Afghan recruits to quickly fill the ranks back up after the Taliban suffered heavy losses. It was for this reason the Taliban would arrest family members of Afghan Pashtuns so that they would be forced to give up a son to join the Taliban. It was for this reason prominent Afghan Pashtuns like Karzai's father were killed (because he was preaching against the Taliban in Pakistani mosques). It was for this reason Pakistan sent soldiers that were Pakistani Pashtun rather than Punjabi so that they could blend in with the local Afghans. I guess you didn’t get that memo and thought they were all Afghan Pashtuns. Idiot.
Of course, in your little mind, this is all a crusade to badmouth and wholly blame the righteous Pakistan (as if the whole bin Laden being captured after living their for 5+ years isn't bad enough). Keep smoking or snorting whatever it is that makes you dream up these visions.
Fvcking kids..........go back to Call of Duty, will ya?
I dont see any SEALs here.
Considering that the CIA had the compound under surveillance for a long time, from a nearby safe house, isn't it also possible that someone supported the operation from the ground, immediately before the helicopters came in? Like snipers to take out armed guards outside, cutting power lines, preparing explosive breaching, etc. - perhaps saving the operators a few valuable seconds, to enter the building as fast as possible. Just a thought.
I was thinking perimeter security actually, people already in position all around the compound would make sense, although how easy would it be to do that without raising suspicions.?
Did Bradley Manning Almost Blow The Operation To Capture/Kill Osama Bin Laden?Did Bradley Manning Almost Blow The Operation To Capture/Kill Osama Bin Laden?
Considering that Wikileaks began releasing the Gitmo Files on April 24th and that we now know that President Obama signed the order to begin this operation on Friday April 29th, to originally be carried out the following day on Saturday, there was just 5 days from the point at which Wikileaks released the pertinent classified intelligence and when the President signed off on the OBL capture/ kill mission. This substantially supports the possibility that the classified intelligence, Bradley Manning is charged with removing from DoD classified databases and then passing to Wikileaks, may very well have caused the White House to step up the operation to get OBL. Can you just imagine how our President and his national security team felt when they saw that document get released by Wikileaks, after tracking and planning this mission since August? This innocent kid who danced around and sang while the files copied over very well could have been responsible for Osama bin Laden slipping through our fingers, once again. Unbelievable!
US may have got Osama bin Laden's Abbottabad clue in 2008 – WikiLeaksWikiLeaks released the report last week, prompting speculation that the US, afraid that its planned raid might be pre-empted, brought forward its attack.
Let's do better and keep the insults out. There are rewards for insulting other members. If you feel the need to do so, ignore them and move on. Put them on your ignore list.
Insults does not add to your post, it actually make you look bad.
/me cleans youtube favorites...
Agreed. I apologize Hollis to you and the other members. I will ignore him.
Taking this to PM's...
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Turkey: thousands attend Bin Laden ´funeral´
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...066313,00.html
This is the electorate of AKP ( Erdogan-Gul-Davutoglu´s party) which shows that for them Islam is dearer than Turkey b/c everyone can remember that Al Kaeda commited terrorist attacks on Turkish soil killing turkish people.
I hate the AKP but I am pretty sure the average AKP voter is not as radical as the nutjobs at the demonstration. Though those nutjobs do have the best time under AKP government. Either way these guys deserve a f*cking bullet if you ask me, openly demonstrating for a terrorist group which has killed and targetted Turks.
My point is that the rebars on the UBL house did NOT come out of "pillars" (columns) below..they are on the outside of the house walls. Here is a pix of rebars that come OUT of columns below as an example for comparison:we have some of those rods sticking up top of our house in sicily.. they are indeed reinforcement and run straight through the pillars sticking out the roof exactly like those.. Im not expecting any helicopters
compare to UBL house
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