Gibraltar Slams New 'Incursion' By Spanish Navy

[IconOfEvi]

1 - Felipe, first, lay down the crack pipe. There isn't some grand conspiracy to disenfranchise the Spanish posters here. If I recall the correct post you're referring to, it was part of a JOKE, which is acceptable, especially when its explained. What you were doing, insulting others here and/or talking personally in hush hush, which you seem to do, is NOT. When you're in a discussion, debate, when you've clearly lost and resort to speaking in another language publicly (not via PM) to a supporter, we can reasonably infer you're insulting everyone else and reassuring yourselves you are right. It is in this sense its an English-only board.

2 - everyone is pro-Anglo? Again, lay down the crack pipe. The problem for you guys is that most posters take both sides in disputes like these, judge them, and find Spain's position is rather horse****. There is an understanding we've all plundered land that "isn't" ours. What is then horse**** is that with this understanding, Spain and generally, many Spanish posters come in all hopped up on lifetime of nationalist rhetoric and demand that Britain give back what's theirs. Then, when we take Spain's rhetoric and apply it to THEM, suddenly, "oh no!" "Thats bad!" "How dare you!"

3 - Inject sense? And then in the same topic banter on about has been empires? Again, let he who is without sin cast that stone. In that regard, both Spain and Mexico are severely has-been empires, the only question regarding who is the more sad and pathetic. Forgetful? Lay down the damn crack pipe.

4 - never mind, your whole new tangent has been a giant headache inducer. As usual, award yourself an Ultratroll prize, Duke-tier

[armored_diplomacy]

Well, I don´t have a dog in this fight, but since I see some guests, I´ll leave my humble POV

Spain and UK were top players at the same game: building global empires and p*ssing each other in the process. If we were back in the 1700-somethings this dispute would be solved by either sending a fleet to ravage the hell out of the other´s garrisons or in bed (by settled marriages).

Things turned to be pretty cool for the UK, while Spain lost power. And time went by.

Nowadays, Spain should think: what would I actually win if I keep pushing ? IMO Spain should suck it up, face the facts and see how to build a smart relationship with it´s relevant NATO partners. Last thing Spain wants is a claim-revival over there, considering Spain´s territories in Africa.


As for the rest of the comments here, I must say I´m a little bit dissapointed by some of them, which took a nasty twist.

[welshmann]

Why? There is a debate going on here and there seems to be two sides to this, the Spanish, and the English, or British. Anglo is a pre-fix many times used to refer to the English, hense pro-Anglo, and on the other side I would use pro-Spanish or pro-Spain. Have I missed something and somehow Anglo has become offensive or derogatory, in which case I apologize, but I don't think that it is, unless you show me otherwise.

beat yourself across the head & come bk into this century u mongol.

[IconOfEvi]

Just got this in my mailbox from Felipe...lulz

A proper response to your post

Besame el trasero.

[DPM_Sheep]

isnt canada and australia technically part of the uk?

Canada, New Zealand and Australia are self-governing dominions of Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II and ironically enough have been for over 100 years. They have nothing to do with the UK beyond common ancestry and the same Head of State.

[welshmann]

Just got this in my mailbox from Felipe...lulz

lol me too,he wants us to kiss his little donkey....ass

[Lazy Lob]

What for Useless Bob? It would be lazy to inject any sense in this thread. Just keep it and continue believing in the indisputability of your position. I believe that you should continue to hold on to Gibraltar, that way you can continue to believe that your country is not a has-been empire. Talk about downward spirals. How big was the British Empire 100 years ago, and how big is it today? Yeah, keep Gibraltar, those monkeys on the rock are very impresive.

You are such a fvckin' windbag.

[Macaca sylvanus]

Right, with the latest round of trolling over, lets get back on topic gents. Great article on the impartiality (or not) of the Spanish judge who ruled against Gibraltar in the EU Courts last week. The lodged appeal was to stop Spain having monitoring responsibilities of British Gibraltar Territorial Waters for ecological reasons and have the area designated as a nature reserve, a power which they could abuse due to their eternal sovereignty claim.

http://www.publicserviceeurope.com/a...urt-of-justice

[Macaca sylvanus]

Long overdue statement from Number 10 on Friday:

• The UK Government is clear that all unlawful incursions into BGTW by the Guardia Civil represent an unacceptable violation of British sovereignty. This is why the Royal Navy challenges all such incursions and we back this up with formal protests to the Spanish Government through diplomatic channels.

• Spanish incursions are not a threat to British sovereignty. We believe that incursions cannot, do not and will not change the fact of British sovereignty. That is why the UK is confident that the challenges being made by the Royal Navy and our diplomatic protests are the correct response and essential to protect sovereignty.

• Spain has no authority to regulate any activity inside BGTW and we would neither tolerate nor recognise any Spanish attempt to do so. We will continue to uphold British sovereignty by all appropriate means.

• Diplomatic contact between UK and Spain is frequent, both at Ministerial and official level, and covers a wide range of other issues in the bilateral relationship.

• Diplomatic communications are confidential, which is why HMG does not publicise the details of exchanges with our Spanish counterparts unless these are part of a more public agenda.

• However, we regularly update HM Government of Gibraltar, through the Office of the Governor, in confidence, on these exchanges when issues relating to Gibraltar arise.

• We have a clear UK government policy to resist any challenge to UK sovereignty over Gibraltar and its waters, and any discussions with Spain are consistent with our commitments to Gibraltar on sovereignty, which are well known. The Royal Navy presence in Gibraltar, their challenging of incursions and subsequent diplomatic representations to Spain are all manifestations of that commitment."

http://www.panorama.gi/

[happyslapper]

Welcome as it is, I'm not convinced it will do anything to limit the incursions, or cool Spanish heads.

[shuredgefan]

Treaty of Utrecht, case closed.

[IconOfEvi]

Its never case closed when you're hopped up on a lifetime of nationalist rhetoric

[boreal]

And a such a big money laundering system.

[churruca]

Treaty of Utrecht, case closed.

...the Catholic King wills, and takes it to be understood, that the above-named propriety be yielded to Great Britain without any territorial jurisdiction...

[muttbutt]

Christ, 30 pages and 450 posts and looky looky here we are a square one....constantly.