"Latino rights groups in the United States, fearful that immigrants are being used as cannon fodder, object to the somewhat shady practice of offering citizenship in return for military service."
Yes, yes I know, we Americans are just supposed to GIVE everything to immigants that they want; it is their HOLY right and entitlement after all, and shame on us Imperialists for asking for anything, anything at all, in return...right?
Yeah, there are people in the US that dont know that there are a lot of people out there that would willingly put their lives on the line just to be called an American. Those people that try to immigrate will be facing a lot of things through out the entire process, a process that not only takes months or a year...but a decade for some.
Heck, should the US decide to open up their country through the Armed Services, I would really doubt fulfilling the recruitment quota would be a problem.
Please note that all the above persons were permanent residents (IOW, had Green Cards) prior to Enlistment.
No Permanent Residency, no Enlistment.
Understood, but it also is in effect for non-citizens. In fact what it did for them was to expedite their naturalization from years to around six months. Buddy of mine from DR was in the big ceremony in baghdad a couple months ago and thats what he said alot of the kids just coming in were doing.Originally Posted by MichaelF
Either way, I welcome anyone to the U.S. who is willing to put their life on the line for us. Thanks to Sgt. Figueira and others like him!!
Green card aside, once you're in the USA and in the military is getting US citizenship as hard as acquiring a green card? Then, is it possible to enlist for a job requiring a security clearence (such as some special ops) or get commisioned as and officer, or is not being born a US citizen too much of a hinderance for those tasks? And are bachelor's degrees earned outside of the US recognized (for the purpuse of becoming and air force pilot, for example)?
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And one wonders why the Singapore Armed Forces tries to go out of its way to get kids born of Permanent Residents in Singapore to serve conscripted service by means of legislation even though said kid has never stepped foot on Singapore soil.
We've been a mini-UN for some time now. Basic training has got nationalities from all over world, from Burmese-Australian to Russian and Japanese.
UZBEKISTAN is allowed?Strange because in the Bundeswehr they treat that country like a potential "Terror" camp.
That would be a waist of time. Waiting all them years just to be an infantry guy in the US? If I was you I would join the Finnish defence forces. They are well equipped and their training seems fine. You have more chances of succeeding in your army than in the us army.
Salute.
Req - Joining USAF as an Irish citizen
My question is basically the title. I am coming up to the end of my Masters Degree in Aeronautical Eng and need to start looking at a job for the future. Im currently 21 and I've always wanted to be a pilot and for a long time have looked towards possibly joining the USAF as an officer to fly.
I am currently an Irish citizen and have no automatic right to US citizenship. I do have numerous connections with the States through family, (my grandfather was a US citizen) and I know the country well. In other words I haven't decided to want to move to the States on the spur of the moment, it is something i've been planning for a long time. I will be getting in touch with a recruiter over the next few days hopefully but I thought I would ask a couple of Questions here first to get an outside opinion.
Over the years I have read a lot on the requirements for joining the USAF as an officer so I have a good idea of the process. I read the sticky thread about becoming an officer in the US Army which was helpful. I know about needing to be an US citizen to become an officer and about possibly having to renounce Irish citizenship for security clearance, something I’m prepared to do if I have to. Details in some of the information I’ve found over the years have differed which has been slightly confusing. I have also read about restrictions on pilots who have been born outside the US and I thought i'd ask if anybody know is that true?
I also have between 2 and 2 1/2 years military experience with a group 2 TA unit (Reserve British Army) in case anybody knows if that should be relevant.
I just want to ask what chances do I have of ever being able to apply to join the USAF as a career. Also does anybody know of any pilots in the Air Force with a foreign background? I have heard rumours of Irish people flying aircraft in the USAF but never confirmed any of them. The only person i have seen was a British Apache pilot in the US Army.
I'd also like to know does anyone have any links to sites that have accurate info on both citizenship and physical and fitness requirements to join? Just like to have something that I know is accurate. Thanks for reading this and I appreciate any info I get.
your best bet might be to talk directly to various recruiters (i say more than one b/c more than one POV). try to talk to the most experienced one, and make sure they don't force you , (they can sell hard, but nothing should be forced). good luck bud
This is from the United State Air Force Officer Training School website:
" You are required to be a US citizen at least 18 years of age at the time of commissioning and not have reached age 34 by the initial selection board convening date. Navigator and pilot applicants must be commissioned and enter flying training before age 30. All other applicants should be commissioned before age 35."
The main thing in there is that you have to be a united states citizen. You should go on to airforce.com and talk to a recruiter online because you may be able to get a waiver. Also it's not like you have no education, the US Air Force will consider you because its hard to turn down someone with Masters in Aeronautical Engineering.
Hope that helps, from your friend on the other side of the pond. And if both our dreams come true then I might rescue you if you're ever shot down.
FuturPJ
Get in touch with a consular officer at the US Embassy Dublin.
found this for you:
HOW TO QUALIFY FOR CITIZENSHIP THROUGH THE GRANDPARENTS
Whether or not the child intends to reside in the United States, an alternative procedure now exists for becoming a U.S. citizen. If the child is under eighteen years of age and has a U.S. citizen grandparent who meets the physical presence requirements as specified above, the child may qualify for expeditious naturalization under the Immigration and Nationality Technical Corrections Act of 1994. Although not entitled to U.S. citizenship at birth, the child can, through this procedure, become a U.S. citizen by naturalization without first having to take up residence in the United States. It is, however, necessary for the child to travel to the United States for the naturalization, and all applications and documentation must be submitted and approved beforehand.
http://zagreb.usembassy.gov/consular/iv/claim.htm
U.S. Embassy Dublin
42 Elgin Road
Ballsbridge
Dublin 4
Telephone: +353 1 668-8777
As long as you haven't served in a foreign Military in a policy making position, (Joint Chiefs or equivalent), your prior military experience shouldn't matter at all. Also, some countries will not recognize renunciation of citizenship. For example, the United States will not officially recognize an American Citizen giving up their citizenship unless they follow a VERY specific outline where they announce their intention before a judge. Even then, they may not acknowledge it, despite the US being very strict on such protocols in the past. I'm not sure if Ireland follows the same protocol, but most European countries wont recognize a citizen renouncing their citizenship, thus duel citizenship is born... Ill try to find the sources Ive used, I wrote a paper about dual citizenship a while back. Hope it helps.
Good Luck.
From what I have been told by my Irish friends, born in Liverpool myself, there are only two types of people in the World, them that is Irish, and them that wants to be?
Having lived in Florida for 4 years, and being a permanent resident, I can not see how the American Air Force would turn you away, if your physical pans out, they spend many thousands of dollars putting an American through school to get where you are now.
Again, good luck.
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