US Military as a foreigner.

[radon]

why dont you join the french military then?

[joseph]

i am in nova scotia m8.

i was going to join the foreign legion i was just trying to find out if there were other options or other places. just trying to figure out if the french is the only real place i would be able to serve.

[Dalleer]

Doesn't the IDF also accept some sorts of foreign recruits for kitchen service or something along those lines.

I remember once reading about it ?

[EvanL]

i am in nova scotia m8.

i was going to join the foreign legion i was just trying to find out if there were other options or other places. just trying to figure out if the french is the only real place i would be able to serve.

Why dont you stick around and see what happens in the next year or two with the new government. If they keep ****ing us over, go join the brits. Atleast dont leave the commonwealth. Maybe even go aussie.
I thought about joining the brits but realized i would be so far from my family and rarely get much time to see them. So im gonnna stick with the CF.
WHy not get an officers commission through university?

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Yes, U.S. military do accept immigrants with green cards for jobs that don't require security clearance.

What kind of jobs don't require a security clearance? I guess as a regular soldier/grunt you'd need SOME kind of clearance?

Nope. Most jobs require no security clearance. Prolly around 85-90% or so. It still happens that sometimes people are given the choice of jail or the military - and they sure as hell wouldn't get any clearance.

Most jobs are pretty mundane - admin, footsoldier, logistics, maintenance etc. The clearances are attached to certain positions - typically in basic you fill out background information & they run your clearance during your tech school. Hopefully by the time you're done, your clearance is in.

There are many levels & each one takes a bit longer to do. Confidential clearances are pretty quick while TS/SCI/SBI take forever. Mine took a year & it wasn't ready when I was. So I was doing busy work for a while. If you work with crypto or intel they do a special background investigation to clear you for foreign intel etc. & it takes forever.

[Guttorm]

Yes, U.S. military do accept immigrants with green cards for jobs that don't require security clearance.

What kind of jobs don't require a security clearance? I guess as a regular soldier/grunt you'd need SOME kind of clearance?

Nope. Most jobs require no security clearance. Prolly around 85-90% or so. It still happens that sometimes people are given the choice of jail or the military - and they sure as hell wouldn't get any clearance.

Most jobs are pretty mundane - admin, footsoldier, logistics, maintenance etc. The clearances are attached to certain positions - typically in basic you fill out background information & they run your clearance during your tech school. Hopefully by the time you're done, your clearance is in.

There are many levels & each one takes a bit longer to do. Confidential clearances are pretty quick while TS/SCI/SBI take forever. Mine took a year & it wasn't ready when I was. So I was doing busy work for a while. If you work with crypto or intel they do a special background investigation to clear you for foreign intel etc. & it takes forever.

Thanks!
I worked with national (norwegian) and NATO crypto in my time in the Royal Norwegian Navy, so I know how tight security is around those items.

I used to think about going over to US for work, that s why I wondered.

[ibstolidude]

Yes, U.S. military do accept immigrants with green cards for jobs that don't require security clearance.

What kind of jobs don't require a security clearance? I guess as a regular soldier/grunt you'd need SOME kind of clearance?

Nope. Most jobs require no security clearance. Prolly around 85-90% or so. It still happens that sometimes people are given the choice of jail or the military - and they sure as hell wouldn't get any clearance.

Most jobs are pretty mundane - admin, footsoldier, logistics, maintenance etc. The clearances are attached to certain positions - typically in basic you fill out background information & they run your clearance during your tech school. Hopefully by the time you're done, your clearance is in.

-PLease tell me again about

It still happens that sometimes people are given the choice of jail or the military

while you are at it tell me more about the "MUNDANE" life of the footsoldier??? Traditionally in the US and abroad 'foot' = infantry..tell me again how mundane they are?

[ibstolidude]

[quote=Guttorm][quote=2Sheds_Jackson]

Thanks!
I worked with national (norwegian) and NATO crypto in my time in the Royal Norwegian Navy, so I know how tight security is around those items.

I used to think about going over to US for work, that s why I wondered.

- As with all things in the US GOV things have a priority as does the investigation..if you properly complete your paperwork and are a pirority...you will atleast recieve an intrum clearance. As Jack said this applies primarily to US Citizens...rules pertaining to others would require info I lack.

[oldsoak]

Colonials are always welcome in HM forces mate -dont let that talk of warm beer and boiled cabbage put you off... Besides, they improve the local bloodstock no end. Seriously, joking aside, if you cant get a job with the CAF, - and I hope that you do - come on over and give it a whirl. You can but try and theres guys here be willing to give you a few pointers.
rgds

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Yes, U.S. military do accept immigrants with green cards for jobs that don't require security clearance.

What kind of jobs don't require a security clearance? I guess as a regular soldier/grunt you'd need SOME kind of clearance?

Nope. Most jobs require no security clearance. Prolly around 85-90% or so. It still happens that sometimes people are given the choice of jail or the military - and they sure as hell wouldn't get any clearance.

Most jobs are pretty mundane - admin, footsoldier, logistics, maintenance etc. The clearances are attached to certain positions - typically in basic you fill out background information & they run your clearance during your tech school. Hopefully by the time you're done, your clearance is in.

-PLease tell me again about

It still happens that sometimes people are given the choice of jail or the military

while you are at it tell me more about the "MUNDANE" life of the footsoldier??? Traditionally in the US and abroad 'foot' = infantry..tell me again how mundane they are?

Wow, massive quote pile going here.

The jail thing - I had a couple of friends, and in fact my own father also, who were basically given the choice of going to the pokey, or joining up. My dad chose the Navy (the fool!!!!) Nobody is gets into West Point, the Air Force Academy or Annapolis this way, but it does happen. Local kid gets in trouble constantly with the Sheriff and is given a choice. The military is good at straightening out bent people.

Ok by "mundane" I meant ordinary. I suppose you can argue the point, but I'd consider infantry pretty mundane. No disrespect intended to anybody - it's by no means an easy job. But consider the test scores, aptitues etc. needed to qualify for the job. And in addition no requrement to pass a security screen. They don't get involved in any tasks, or have access to information beyond what's in front of them. Decisions on a small and immediate scale. Infantry commanders prolly have a secret clearance, as they create and view plans.

As to how ordinary they actually are - of course each human being is a wonderful and unique creature, conceived in light and bathed in the unearthly glow of our glorious creator. But lets face it, when the bullets ain't flying, being an 11B is the cat's ass. Policing up cigarette butts, painting rocks, endless training etc. This you do not need a clearance for. Nuttin' wrong with that, but they're pretty well down in the order of things.

Other examples of "ordinary" type jobs would be people who paint buildings, put tires on trucks, cook food, order helmet liners, repair generators. There's nothing wrong with ordinary. My current job for exampe is pretty mundane.

About the interim clearance - it ain't gonna happen for anybody needing a TS/SCI etc. They can prolly fudge on the lower level ones, but they have absolutely no sense of humor about codeword info.

[ibstolidude]

Wow, massive quote pile going here.

The jail thing - I had a couple of friends, and in fact my own father also, who were basically given the choice of going to the pokey, or joining up. My dad chose the Navy (the fool!!!!) Nobody is gets into West Point, the Air Force Academy or Annapolis this way, but it does happen. Local kid gets in trouble constantly with the Sheriff and is given a choice. The military is good at straightening out bent people.

Perhaps you should talk to a recruiter...you are mistaken about the "go to army or go to jail crap" you are off by about 20 years.
The basic qualifications for enlistment include being atleast 17. Be a US cit. or resident alien (I-551). Have a high school diploma or equivalent. Single with no children or married with 2 or less. Pass the ASVAB. You may not be undergoin any civil violations and Certain Law violations will disqualify you. (as the recruiter put it other than traffic violation will likely disqualify you)

Ok by "mundane" I meant ordinary. I suppose you can argue the point, but I'd consider infantry pretty mundane. No disrespect intended to anybody - it's by no means an easy job. But consider the test scores, aptitues etc. needed to qualify for the job. Never really looked at the skills needed or scores needed to be an NCO in the infantry huh? And in addition no requrement to pass a security screen. They don't get involved in any tasks, or have access to information beyond what's in front of them. You really are off! Have you no idea what the SIPRnet is, the old "rednet"..no..any idea how many subscribers on that thing? Since you are the EPSQ and clearance SME..next time you hop on the SIPR on your email account lookup searches based on these types of units then continue this line of talk Decisions on a small and immediate scale. Infantry commanders prolly have a secret clearance, as they create and view plans.

As to how ordinary they actually are - of course each human being is a wonderful and unique creature, conceived in light and bathed in the unearthly glow of our glorious creator. But lets face it, when the bullets ain't flying, being an 11B is the cat's ass. Policing up cigarette butts, painting rocks, endless training etc. What the **** era are you from? Guess what welcome to the military..EVERY lower enlisted position I have been in did this..from Strat Intel to the very tactical... I have seen ODA Cdr's scrubbing toilets 'cause it was his turn in their team room. So if you think your job or clearance makes you too good to police call you got your head further up your butt than I thought possible. This you do not need a clearance for. Nuttin' wrong with that, but they're pretty well down in the order of things.

Other examples of "ordinary" type jobs would be people who paint buildings, put tires on trucks, cook food, order helmet liners, repair generators. Often the need for a clearance is mandated by unit..,our of our unit manning roster positions (too include admin, mechanics, etc) were required to have a clearance. Most of the time it is based on duty position NOT MOS. There's nothing wrong with ordinary. My current job for exampe is pretty mundane.

About the interim clearance - it ain't gonna happen for anybody needing a TS/SCI etc. Really? They can prolly fudge on the lower level ones, but they have absolutely no sense of humor about codeword info. So you are telling me that an Interum TS does not exist! http://www.dss.mil/isec/interim_waiver.htm and in reference to a TSSSBI and TSSCI an interum TS can be granted until the process is complete. Codeword info?? What are you talking about...earlier you talked about crypto, is that what you mean?

[MolliG]

i was going to join the foreign legion i was just trying to find out if there were other options or other places. just trying to figure out if the french is the only real place i would be able to serve.

Think very hard and carefully, and do some indepth research, before you take the trip over the pond to one of the FFL recruitment offices (or whatever they're know as). From what I've read (I've got a nice book on the whole FFL life... From the '80s though) it's a very tough life and quite a few can't hack it (I'm not saying your unsuitable or otherwise) and regret the decision of joining.

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Nationality
Applicants will be eligible if they are a bona fide resident of the United Kingdom or the Irish Republic and are one of the following:

Commonwealth citizen. This term includes a British citizen; a citizen of the British dependent territories; a British overseas citizen; a British subject under the British Nationality Act 1981; a citizen of an independent Commonwealth country; British Protected Person; Citizen of the Irish Republic.

Residence
Should applicants reside outside the United Kingdom, they will only be eligible to enlist if they are exempt from immigration control: that is to say they have been given indefinite leave to reside and work in the United Kingdom under Immigration Rules.

Once again, do some proper research, before taking the big jump in.

[anonymous individual]

WHy not get an officers commission through university?

Does the sentence mean by joining the military, without perset education obligations before going into post-secondary education, after obtaining a university diploma?

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Wow, massive quote pile going here.

The jail thing - I had a couple of friends, and in fact my own father also, who were basically given the choice of going to the pokey, or joining up. My dad chose the Navy (the fool!!!!) Nobody is gets into West Point, the Air Force Academy or Annapolis this way, but it does happen. Local kid gets in trouble constantly with the Sheriff and is given a choice. The military is good at straightening out bent people.

Perhaps you should talk to a recruiter...you are mistaken about the "go to army or go to jail crap" you are off by about 20 years.
The basic qualifications for enlistment include being atleast 17. Be a US cit. or resident alien (I-551). Have a high school diploma or equivalent. Single with no children or married with 2 or less. Pass the ASVAB. You may not be undergoin any civil violations and Certain Law violations will disqualify you. (as the recruiter put it other than traffic violation will likely disqualify you)

Ok by "mundane" I meant ordinary. I suppose you can argue the point, but I'd consider infantry pretty mundane. No disrespect intended to anybody - it's by no means an easy job. But consider the test scores, aptitues etc. needed to qualify for the job. Never really looked at the skills needed or scores needed to be an NCO in the infantry huh? And in addition no requrement to pass a security screen. They don't get involved in any tasks, or have access to information beyond what's in front of them. You really are off! Have you no idea what the SIPRnet is, the old "rednet"..no..any idea how many subscribers on that thing? Since you are the EPSQ and clearance SME..next time you hop on the SIPR on your email account lookup searches based on these types of units then continue this line of talk Decisions on a small and immediate scale. Infantry commanders prolly have a secret clearance, as they create and view plans.

As to how ordinary they actually are - of course each human being is a wonderful and unique creature, conceived in light and bathed in the unearthly glow of our glorious creator. But lets face it, when the bullets ain't flying, being an 11B is the cat's ass. Policing up cigarette butts, painting rocks, endless training etc. What the f*** era are you from? Guess what welcome to the military..EVERY lower enlisted position I have been in did this..from Strat Intel to the very tactical... I have seen ODA Cdr's scrubbing toilets 'cause it was his turn in their team room. So if you think your job or clearance makes you too good to police call you got your head further up your butt than I thought possible. This you do not need a clearance for. Nuttin' wrong with that, but they're pretty well down in the order of things.

Other examples of "ordinary" type jobs would be people who paint buildings, put tires on trucks, cook food, order helmet liners, repair generators. Often the need for a clearance is mandated by unit..,our of our unit manning roster positions (too include admin, mechanics, etc) were required to have a clearance. Most of the time it is based on duty position NOT MOS. There's nothing wrong with ordinary. My current job for exampe is pretty mundane.

About the interim clearance - it ain't gonna happen for anybody needing a TS/SCI etc. Really? They can prolly fudge on the lower level ones, but they have absolutely no sense of humor about codeword info. So you are telling me that an Interum TS does not exist! http://www.dss.mil/isec/interim_waiver.htm and in reference to a TSSSBI and TSSCI an interum TS can be granted until the process is complete. Codeword info?? What are you talking about...earlier you talked about crypto, is that what you mean?

Whoa there big fella. You gotta lay of that coffee. As a guy who was active duty for 6, in the guard for 5 and currently a works for the Army as a civillian, yes I have a passing familiarity with the subject matter. I'm also the COMSEC officer for our section and work the blasted SIPRnet all day. If you don't know what codeword is maybe you should consider that maybe you don't have all the answers.

I started as an E1 also, and apparently your career path and mine diverged a long time ago. I never picked up cigs or did busy work after leaving tech school. Real sorry if you had to, but don't assume everybody does, or I'm being an elitist. If, by the way you were in the infantry, and had to, you've proved my point...

Did you even bother to read the text from the url you posted? It's clearly for civilian contrators -not military personnel - who've already got a Secret clearance. It also clearly states it's not applicable to SCI. A guy joining the military has exactly no hope of starting his job which requires a TS/SCI if his clearance isnt approved. And that's what we're talking about.

If you believe what a recruiter tells you, you've got bigger problems. It happens every day. Pass the ASVAB? With what scores..c'mon get real here, they'll take a warm body if they need the quota. True I haven't been in the enlisted world since '95 but it sure as hell happened then.

[ibstolidude]

Say no more.
@ 2sheds - PM sent
I did jump when I should not have..
I was arguing apples v/s oranges.

I will continue to disagree with whole "go to jail or the army" deal.. but what is life with out spice.

I will now punch myself in the face.