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    Helping Immigrant Soldiers Become Citizens
    Despite being the object of persecution and harsh criticism during the later half of the 19th century, immigrants have played an integral part of the United States Army since the Civil War. Today, legal immigrants from countries spanning the entire globe no longer face such opposition and compose a significant portion of today's forces. Immigrants holding a valid green card may enlist, though they do not have the option of becoming an officer and cannot stay in for more than eight years, unless they become naturalized citizens. The normal residency requirement for a legal immigrant is five years, but as a member of the Army, that time is waived to three years. The entire process, from the start of the initial paperwork to swearing an oath of citizenship, usually takes four to six months. To become a naturalized citizen, the soldier must fill out an application and be able to provide a copy of a green card and a military ID. A money order or cashier's check of $225 must be sent before the application will be accepted. Once the application has been screened it is forwarded to the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS).
    seems you have to live in the us for a minimum of 3 years. Man o Man why does canada have such a piece of **** military/governement/pretty much everything else but hockey....

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    man they made fun of me for being from up north, but that guys gonna have a real hard time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarineDEP4
    man they made fun of me for being from up north, but that guys gonna have a real hard time!
    huh?

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    Jackmeoff wrote:
    My suggestion is to find a big, fat American girl and marry her. That will get your citizenship real fast.
    That doesn't work anymore...friends of ours One US and the other Canadian, had to get married in Canada, as for her to marry to American she would have had to take manditory counseling (screening) in the US. So they married in Canada no problem instead.

    Besides whats wrong with fat girls? More cushin' for the pushin'.

    Also I can't speak for all Canadians but I suspect that tha reason so many Canucks join the Marines is that we as a people KICK ASS. And prob' find it quite easy, after all those years of choping wood carring water, wreastling bears, and milking yaks etc.

    As a military our only real weakness is our governments false belief that in a crisis 'the people' can rise up and defend this country...in spite of being mostly disarmed. (it is called the myth of the militia)

    Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie dont surf
    So no its not so easy, as for marying someone, heck I would do it, its only paper work and id enlist as soon as I had the green card.
    You can't really do that anymore. They're checking real up close on the marriage cases nowadays. And it's morally questionable.

    Quote Originally Posted by James
    So, if one is serious about joining the U.S. Military, make a plan and go for it. Just please stop the *****ing about something that you can't change...
    I'm serious about it and I have a plan, two in facts, I got a backup. But Charlie and others are part right: it is long and complicated. But not long like going to the DMV and waiting in line. REAL long. It includes round trips to the US and the Embassy, which is tough on a student budget, to get straight answers, because online and phone help is nonexistant. Setting up meetings with embassy officials mean lots of calls, a trip to the capital (which for me is a four hours roundtrip and a 75$ ticket each time) for a 15-minutes appointment with someone who vaguely answers my question and refer me to someone else...It get a bit long.
    It's also a time-eater. I'm already 22, a got a whole college year during which I can't do much to advance my case besides PT, because I can't afford to go south anytime and for long periods at a time. Say I work two years in the US after college (that is, IF I get an LPR), I'll be 25 at time of enlistment. That's two years below cutoff. I want to be a soldier, but I'd like to become one while I'm young and at a physical peak.
    So I'm not really *****ing about something I can't change, I just honestly wish it was easier. If I could sign up tomorrow, I'd be gone in heartbeat. And I understand why the US military works this way, I just wish it could facilitate things a bit, like the UK does for Commonwealth citizens. We are the world's largest economic partners, we've been in the same boat in terms of defense until recently, for 50 years.
    It's not rational, it's emotional, sorry. I know it works that way and why but I hate it that I, who doesn't want to benefit from America's prosperity as much as sacrify to defend it, have a harder time to come to you and enlist than some other people coming under the banner of immigration quotas to fatten up on the American Dream...
    I don't make much sense, now do I?

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    you make a lot of sense mate, I feel exactly the same way on pretty much all your points.

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    I know just how you all feel. If I could fly down to Ft Benning, GA a week after I graduated from high school I'd do it and not look back but unfortunantly there are lots of hoops I have to jump through. So far it appears all I can do is enter the green card lottery (I was born in an eligible country, and my dad is a national of an eligible country) and cross my fingers.

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    Is Canada still part of the British Commonwealth? If so, have you (any of you Canucks) considered joing the British Military?

    There seems to be more enthusiasm about joining the U.S. Military than the UK. I am just curious.

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    I've considered it and it's on the table if I can't join the US Military.

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    Ditto.

    But it's not as meaningful to me. Besides the fact that I want to keep focus on the US, I don't feel like the UK (or another service) is a "second best". While it's easier to get into the British Army, it would still require a big time investment. Since the UK recruiting process (like the Canadian one) is a series of interviews and exams spread over a long period and that MOD will only pay for one airfare (the one that brings you to the equivalent of MEPS once you've been accepted and enlisted officially), it means going to live in the UK for at least a year prior, unless you can afford a plane ticket every 3 months. RN also has restrictions on citizenship nowadays, and that includes RM (which I would join if I went UK) and a 5-years mandatory residency period that requires a waiver. So in closing, if I went to the UK, it'd be just as long, as complicated. I can't keep both options open forever, it's not realistic. I have to make a choice.
    And it's not a question of joining a "cool" military. I do not like the way our military is ran and the attitude towards defense matters, and I simply don't identify much with Canada anymore. Furthermore, I'm from Quebec, canadian patriotism is not big here, so I was never compelled to it. I've travelled to the US a lot, to the UK also once, and I honestly believe I'd be happier in the US. I liked the UK a lot, but it's different. I have many friends down there and every time I visit them, I don't want to go back. I wish I could tell how tiring it is to be swarmed with negative comments from the token anti-american/canadian patriot/socialist every time I voice my support for the US. It's not criticism anymore, it's all-out racism. Since I began college, I feel like the frickin' Alamo.
    So I'd rather go live with you guys and fight alongside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James
    Is Canada still part of the British Commonwealth? If so, have you (any of you Canucks) considered joing the British Military?

    There seems to be more enthusiasm about joining the U.S. Military than the UK. I am just curious.
    I got my application for the British Army a year or so back. But i thought hard on it. And even though i consider myself very close to Britain, its too far away from my family and home, and i would hardly if ever get the chance to come back to visit, even though i have family over there, its not the same.

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    I have dual polish and canadian citizenship, now with the whole eu thing not sure how easy it would be for me to enlist into the british forces..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brozozo
    Hopefully someone skilled in US Immigration policy can help me with this one...

    I've got a younger cousin (17) who has his heart set on enlisting in the USMC. Unfortunately for him he lives in Canada and has Canadian citizenship but not US. He also does not have any relatives living in the US or who are citizens. I've been trying to help him find info on how he can immigrate into the US and join the Marines next summer. I've combed through INS sites and just ended up getting lost in the mountains of policy information present. Neither one of us had time to contact the US Consulate yet so I'm posing my question to the forum members here.

    What steps should he take in order to recieve a Green Card and eligibility to join the USMC?
    Why dosn't the boy join the Royal Marines in the UK???
    http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/141.html

    He would have no problems what so ever if he is a Canadian citizen.

    [*******red]Nationality and Residence

    To be Eligible for entry into the Royal Navy as a Royal Marine you must:
    At all times since birth have been a citizen of Britain, Ireland or a Commonwealth country.

    Have been resident in the UK for a minimum of 5 years immediately prior to making an application. In certain circumstances, in particular if you are of UK origin, a shorter period of residency may be accepted.
    You will be subject to a detailed security clearance procedure prior to joining. [/color]
    http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/2666.html

    I dont know, I have not nothing against the US Armed Forces but as a Canadian I feal that loyalty is to be served to Canada then the Commonwealth!

    Tell him to become a Royal Marine Commando. I bet it'll be a good go and harder then the USMC.

    Plus remember!

    [*******red]USMC are Born and Paid to Die!

    Canadians are Born and Paid to Fight and Make the other Sucker Die for his Country![/color]

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    [quote="RSK"]
    Quote Originally Posted by Brozozo
    Why dosn't the boy join the Royal Marines in the UK???
    http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/141.html





    Tell him to become a Royal Marine Commando. I bet it'll be a good go and harder then the USMC.

    Plus remember!

    [*******red]USMC are Born and Paid to Die!

    Canadians are Born and Paid to Fight and Make the other Sucker Die for his Country![/color]
    I seriously take offense to these comments!! Unless you served in my beloved Corps I would seriously consider that you stop making comments about **** you know nothing about!!

    TP

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