Reply With QuoteToo many to name...Eisenhower, Swartzkoff (sp), Patton, Rogers, Mcaurther, and i would have to say Tommy Franks, his new "lightening war" tactics i think have changed warfare.
Robert E. Lee is hardly an overrated General. He was a far more personal and with-the-troops kind of General than Grant. You have to remember that Lee was fighting a defensive battle very much with the odds against them. They had poor supplies, outdated weapons, and worse health. The only reason *****sburg happened was because Lee needed clothing supplies for his men, and thus had to venture into the north.
The man had the Union Army to its knees until *****sburg. I think that's pretty impressive with an under-supplied army made up of farmers.
Too many to name...Eisenhower, Swartzkoff (sp), Patton, Rogers, Mcaurther, and i would have to say Tommy Franks, his new "lightening war" tactics i think have changed warfare.
John "Blackjack" Pershing, commanding general of the AEF in 1917-1918. He spent almost as much time arguing with French and British generals (Foch and Haig) as he did organizing the army. He had quite a task. In April 1917, the U.S. Army numbered fewer than 300,000 men. It would have lasted about a month in a big offensive on the western front. He built the army constantly while in France. The British and French weren't keen on an independent American Army - they wanted our troops to be fed directly into their regiments. Imagine! Pershing shared divisions, but did not give in to the pressure. After we got into the fighting in earnest, he fired commanders who couldn't do the job. When the tactics we were using failed to live up to expectations, he changed them. In September 1918, in the space of a scant two weeks, the American First Army attacked and defeated the Germans at St. Mihiel, disengaged, and moved 30 miles, and launched another offensive in the Argone forest. The AEF, under General Pershing, won every battle it fought in World War One, and won based on standards we think of today - seizing and holding the objective.
I think anyone of the Generals who have a statue on the grounds of this instition would make this list (Patton, MacArthur, Ike...) I think the current CSA would also make the list for his leadership in USSOCOM.
Is Pershing there? He should be.Originally Posted by USMA_SCUBA
You guys took all the good ones...
You forgot James T. Kirk
you know I had to.
Agreed
Asseye, Badajoz...
General Montgomery
Field Marshel Rommel
David Stirling
Personally I hate Generals like Patton, Franks, and Schwatzkopf.
yeah,you gotta hate generals who got the job done.Monty the most overrated general of all time.
General Bernard Montgomery was no military genius. Operation Market-Garden is a prime example. On January 7, 1945 Montgomery held a press conference in which he claimed credit for the victory in the Battle of the Bulge. Nevermind the tea-break outside Caen during the Normandy landings that contributed to US forces being unnecessarily pinned down in Hedgerows.....
On another note, Field Marshal Fedor von Bock probably would have taken Moscow had Hitler had not diverted a large part of his Army Group Center to Leningrad and Kiev between July and October of 1941. Fedor von Bock was 225 miles to Moscow at the time.
The name people don't hear much about is probably the single greatest Unconventional Warfare Tactician of the 20th Century, General Paul Emil von Lettow-Vorbeck.
The UK and the US have different prefrences on how to solve a problem.
The UK prefer to solve the problem with the minimum of force
The US prefer to solve the problem with the maximum of force
The UK army had no other option other then the minimum of force because they don't always have the man power and resources to do it with the maximum of force.
The US army use the maximum of force because they've got the man power and resources to waste.
You mean like Operation Lightfoot and Supercharge??
Oh, and Operation Market-Garden, was it not the Single Largest Airborne Operation - Ever?Over the next six weeks Montgomery began to stockpile vast quantities of weapons and ammunition to make sure that by the time he attacked he possessed overwhelming firepower. By the middle of October the Eighth Army totalled 195,000 men, 1,351 tanks and 1,900 pieces of artillery. This included large numbers of recently delivered Sherman M4 and Grant M3 tanks.On 23rd October Montgomery launched Operation Lightfoot with the largest artillery bombardment since the First World War.
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Market Garden was a joint British/US/Polish operation.
The Army had to wait a very long time for the equipment for Operation Lightfoot.
What I said about the preferences of force used to solve the problem isn't a lie, it's a fact.
eg. Northern Ireland, the troops had a strict ROE for engaging terrorists.
If they come into contact with a suspected terrorist, they call challenge him or her. If they do not surrender or comply, the soldier then cocks his weapon and may fire at will.
If I'm wrong u can correct me.
eg2. Vietnam, now that was a show of strength for the US wasn't it?
Napalm, burning villiages down, execution of civilians etc.
Did it solve the problem? NO!!!!!
Monty IS the most overrated general!
rommel could've easily kicked his ass if they were in a "fair fight"
plus he hit the junction between italian troops (who were the Worst soldiers
ever to walk the face of the earth)
and tired and hungry german troops!
who were seriously undersupplied and had been living in harsh conditions for a long time
plus the fact that hitler made promises.... of supplies and tanks which never came....
if you look at the French Blitzkrieg you can see rommel at his Very best....
if he had become a field marshal before the french invasion he would
definetly have shown the world his Superior skills in the arts of strategy
Course u would say that, you've named yourself after him.
And don't u think it was a good idea to hit a weak point in the enemy?
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