Greatest Military Leaders

[Loco]

Jan Sobieski

Without him we would all speak Turkish Today

Well, well after Grunewald battle, it seemed as many germans were eager of speaking turkish. In the XVI, in the time of Martin Luther and after him, german protestant princeps together with frenchs usually allied with turks for attacking Italy and Spain, in a moment Turkish were spreading across Mediterranean sea and central europe. Without spanish marines in Lepanto battle(30.000 turks casualties and the whole turkish fleet destroyed) and reinforcing Viena when was besieged, german and central europe countries were in danger of speaking turkish again. Perhaps it would be better for everbody that turkish conquered Viena and after that Germany, who knows it.

[Tom.G]

Jan Sobieski

Without him we would all speak Turkish Today

Well, well after Grunewald battle, it seemed as many germans were eager of speaking turkish. In the XVI, in the time of Martin Luther and after him, german protestant princeps together with frenchs usually allied with turks for attacking Italy and Spain, in a moment Turkish were spreading across Mediterranean sea and central europe. Without spanish marines in Lepanto battle(30.000 turks casualties and the whole turkish fleet destroyed) and reinforcing Viena when was besieged, german and central europe countries were in danger of speaking turkish again. Perhaps it would be better for everbody that turkish conquered Viena and after that Germany, who knows it.

If that had happened we'ed all be speaking Turkish.

[Biomech]

G.K. Shukow- saved Moscow and Stalingard.
Frederick the Great- battle of Leuthen
Heinz Guderian
Kurt Student
Erwin Rommel
James Gavin

[Leon Degrelle]

Tommy Franks, his new "lightening war" tactics i think have changed warfare.

Lightning war...sounds a little like "blitzkrieg" to me....

Seriously, I cant believe that none of the Australians here (or students of WW1 history) has mentioned Lieutenant-General John Monash. I mean the guy practically invented combined arms offensives from scratch....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_John_Monash

[PrinzEugen]

Erich von Manstein, second to none.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_Manstein

[Roldwin]

Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba, El gran Capitán



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo...dez_de_Cordoba

The Great Captain is sometimes spoken of as the first of modern generals.

As an organizer he founded the mighty Spanish infantry of the 16th and 17th centuries, and he gave the best proof of his influence by forming a school of officers.

[Bandeirante]

Pedro Teixeira

Conquistador do Amazonas, 1637-1638
Conqueror of more or less 4 millions square Kms to Brazil !




Luís Alves de Lima e Silva, Duke of Caxias (1803-1880)



Caxias fought at the following campaigns :

Independência, Bahia - 1823
Cisplatina, Uruguai - 1825
Balaiada, Maranhão - 1841
Revolução de 1842, São Paulo, Minas Gerais - 1842
Farroupilha, Rio Grande do Sul - 1843-1845
Uruguai - 1851
Argentina - 1852
Paraguai - 1866-1869

Caxias, as Commander-in-Chief of the Brazilian Army, led a charge in Itororó Battle (6 dec 1868) against the enemies, being courageously exposed under enemy fire with 65 years old ! His steady action led the Brazilians to victory in an almost lost battle.

Caxias - Sword of Brazilian Unity

[RFSU]

The Pacific campain was not won by MacArthur it was won in spite of him.

As "leaders" I'm going to have to go with some of the smaller names who thought "outside the box"

Ted Serong (although he clearly lost his **** in his twilight)

T.E. Lawrence (Not bad for an effeminate little queer who was previously being used to colour in maps.)

David Sterling, Jock Lewes, Paddy Mayne

Otto Skorzeny (credit where due)

Bo Gritz (see Ted Serong)

and many more.

Leaders are not always Generals and Generals not always leaders.

[Buckeye67]

Here's a few on my list of great(est) combat leaders:

Gen. George Rogers Clark
Gen. "Mad" Anthony Wayne
Gen. James Gavin
Gen. Tony McAuliffe
Major **** Winters
Col. David Hackworth
Col. Robert Sink

[Ivo]

This thread should be split up into who was the greatest tactical leaders and the greatest strategic leaders.

Anyway I think Sir John Monash, Hubert Gough and Oda Nobunaga should be put up as great military leaders. Oda Nobunga became shogun leading his very small clan.

How about Douglas Haig towards the end of the first world war, his tactical and strategic abilities was much better than anything on the German side. He built on the combined arms pioneered by Monash and Gough.

[foxtrot023]

I think we should credit leaders based on ages per example-

Ancient age 5000bc to 500ac
Alexander
Julius Caesar
Gaius Marius
Hannibal

Dark and middle Age 400ac-1500ac

rennasaince 1500ac-1776ac
El Gran Capitan
Malborough
Gustavus Adolphus
Frederick the Great

Age of revolution 1776-1914
Napoleon
Robert Lee

The 2 world wars 1914ac- 1945ac
Von Manstein
Rommel
Patton

Today 1945ac- ?

[Atlantic Friend]

General Gallieni, defender of Paris in the 1914 Battle of the Marne.

His German opponent said that there was probably one general in the whole world who, charged with defending a city, would empty it of its troops to fight a battle outside its walls, and that his own personal downfall had been that Gallieni was this one general.

Oh, all right, he's not the "Greatest General of all Times", but since there's no such thing as a Greatest General of all Times and such threads turn into wankfests anyway, I thought I'd provide a much lesser-known candidate for a change.

[K2-Kelly]

General Kenny and his unflinching use of Ultra Intercepts aggressively. Not the best, doubtful any can make that claim as what the other guy does often half of it....Yet deffinately worthy of note and how he led his men inspiring ferocity.

[Lokos]

Suvorov, Kutuzov, Putnik, Rotmistrov, Vassilevsky, Rokossovsky, Chernakovssky, Brusilov, Donskoi, Nevsky, Zhukov, Govorov etc...

Lokos

[California Joe]

Hahahaha nice list Lokos you ethnocentric bastard.