Japan's netouyo protesters back on the street again, this time a Japanese drama

[Eventine]

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Do you feel the importance on arguing back if China starts claiming America is belong to China?

Of course. Which is the reason Korean and Chinese nationalists despise each other, especially. The former insinuates, from time to time, that Korea should "retake Manchuria." The latter insinuates, from time to time, that China should "retake North Korea." Quite obviously, there is a fundamental conflict. Which is the reason they hate each other.

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Doesn't make it accurate.


In other word, Chinese government re-author history to fit the official communist narrative of "Chinese Harmony".


Whose mission to to uncover the historical facts buried in ancient text that is not yet a common knowledge. They do not have a narrative to justify; they are just looking for the truth. The same truth that the Chinese government is trying to cover because it doesn't fit their narrative.

The most notorious case is the history of Manchus. Chinese government started the Northeastern Project to justify their present day occupation of Manchuria, as well as erasing the shame of Manchurian colonization of China until 1912, by claiming that Manchus were just a Chinese tribe who came to prominence in the 16th century; that the Ming to Qing transition was just a power transition taking place within "China", instead of a foreign force invading China and imposing their own customs and languages onto Chinese, the punishment of whose disobedience was death. But the actual location of the Great Wall(the borderline between China and the non-China) sitting just north of Beijing presented a problem for this Chinese narrative that China of the past was as same as the People's Republic, so the Chinese government decided to lengthen the wall into Manchuria to the horrors of non-Chinese scholars! Suddenly anti-China walls built by non-Chinese become the part of the Great Wall, as natural mountains now becoming the part of the wall.

This is the kind of history liars we are talking.

And this sort of one-sided argument is exactly why debating with you is pointless.

You fit the pattern of the Korean nationalist mentioned in that youtube video almost perfectly.

[Kadrun]

Of course. Which is the reason Korean and Chinese nationalists despise each other, especially. The former insinuates, from time to time, that Korea should "retake Manchuria." The latter insinuates, from time to time, that China should "retake North Korea." Quite obviously, there is a fundamental conflict. Which is the reason they hate each other.

That is what stupid motha fvcker retard minority is saying in minority level, while China is doing as government level.

[Confuse]

Chinese do. Chinese claim that their sailors(the ones sailing opposite of Admiral Zheng He) reached America and collected tributes from the Native Americans.

maybe some ignorant people might say that, but you using that to paint some type of narrative on chinese as a whole isn't right.. also as far as i know the whole admiral zheng he discovering america theory is mainly pushed by a controvertial UK author gavin menzies

[SlowMan]

And this sort of one-sided argument is exactly why debating with you is pointless.

Because you cannot debate against the truth.

[Kadrun]

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Slowman went to far. What I said about America stuff was just a joke.

[SlowMan]

maybe some ignorant people might say that, but you using that to paint some type of narrative on chinese as a whole isn't right..

You will be shocked how many Chinese actually believe that.

[Kadrun]

You will be shocked how many Chinese actually believe that.

Hey dude focus on the things that are officially stated by government. You are starting a flame war. You act so illogical when you need to be logical.

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That is what stupid motha fvcker retard minority is saying in minority level, while China is doing as government level.

Don't be silly. The Chinese government has never made an official territorial claim on North Korea, and the Korean government has never made an official territorial claim on Manchuria. In both cases, it is the paranoia speaking.

Koreans are afraid that China will push territorial claims on North Korea. Chinese are afraid that Koreans will push territorial claims on Manchuria. Neither have happened, but the fear drives the conflict.

[Kadrun]

Don't be silly. The Chinese government has never made an official territorial claim on North Korea, and the Korean government has never made an official territorial claim on Manchuria. In both cases, it is the paranoia speaking.

Except the chinese government sponsored northeast history project, which creates legimite over occupying NK in case of collapse.

[Confuse]

That is what stupid motha fvcker retard minority is saying in minority level, while China is doing as government level.

it does so to ensure some type of guard against any possible historical division point, the problem with that is that doing so creates another point of division, but this one is pointed against the government instead of nature points of division ... it needs to instead just have a clear nation identity as a multi ethnic state and avoid trying to lump everything together that will just make no one happy

[Kadrun]

it does so to ensure some type of guard against any possible historical division point, the problem with that is that doing so creates another point of division, but this one is pointed against the government instead of nature points of division ... it needs to instead just have a clear nation identity as a multi ethnic state and avoid trying to lump everything together that will just make no one happy

I understand there are Korean minority living in China and their culture becomes a part of China, but I never understand ancient Korean kingdom should be also considered as part of Chinese history. While only thing we and you did was killing each other.

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Except the chinese government sponsored northeast history project, which creates legimite over occupying NK in case of collapse.

The Northeast China project, even if it were accepted, in no way justifies Chinese annexation of North Korea. I hope you realize that, because it's one of the most oft-repeated fallacies with respect to Chinese intentions for the Northeast China Project.

[Confuse]

Except the chinese government sponsored northeast history project, which creates legimite over occupying NK in case of collapse.

i always thought that the northeast project was a means to stop korean ultranationalist and missionary from korea influencing the north east korean-chinese population into some type of pan korean future post NK where the claims don't just stop at the yalu. The whole NK issue doesn't seem the purpose, to say it was meant as legitimate an annex of NK is a very long stretch

[Kadrun]

Since I speak as ordinary thinking Korean person, Korea worries about:
including ancient korean kingdom as part of chinese history -> possibility of creating legitimate for annexation of north korea
If first chain is wrong, then you can expect chain reaction obviously. Even china has no intension to annex, china should not include korea as part of its history anyway.