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    Useless as an assault rifle due to its caliber. Weights about a ton without scopes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kombattant View Post
    What was wrong with the G3's? I thought the Non-DMR G3 versions were known for their DMR like accuracy; let alone the dedicated DMR versions of the G3.
    Wrong is the caliber. And itīs easy to mess around with it reducing its accuracy. Was never able to a hit a target at a distance of 300 m

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosbach View Post
    Useless as an assault rifle due to its caliber. Weights about a ton without scopes.
    Which one? If I remember correctly, the G3 is about 4.5 kg with a mag inserted. That's not particularly a featherweight but not "a ton" either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rosbach View Post
    Wrong is the caliber. And itīs easy to mess around with it reducing its accuracy. Was never able to a hit a target at a distance of 300 m
    That I remember differently, and I'm no good shot. What's wrong about the caliber, by the way? The G3 and the G28 both fire the same round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muck View Post
    What's wrong about the caliber, by the way? The G3 and the G28 both fire the same round.
    The 7,62 kicks like a mule. One shot and you are off the target, at any distance. The 5,56 is easier to handle, but not effective beyond 300 m (thatīs why all the training including AGSHP is only up to 300 m). Current research is about finding the optimal caliber between 6,5 and 7 mm (assault, accuracy, long range capability).

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    With the G3 and the G28 having the same caliber, it seemed odd to set the first off against the latter over the "the wrong caliber". Heavier weapons make recoil easier to handle by the way so it seems likely that a ~ 6 kg G28 kicks out less than the ironsights G3 with only about two thirds of that weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muck View Post
    With the G3 and the G28 having the same caliber, it seemed odd to set the first off against the latter over the "the wrong caliber". Heavier weapons make recoil easier to handle by the way so it seems likely that a ~ 6 kg G28 kicks out less than the ironsights G3 with only about two thirds of that weight.
    True. Another problem is: After firing 10 rounds, the barrel gets so hot, that it blurs the scope

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosbach View Post
    True. Another problem is: After firing 10 rounds, the barrel gets so hot, that it blurs the scope
    The G28? The G3? I can't follow your mental leaps.

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    Tried not to glorify the G28. It is a powerful weapon. And just holding it just makes the G3 or the G36 look like junk in comparison

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    Another mental leap. Where does the statement come from the G28's scope would fog up over 10 consecutive shots?

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    Shooting range, no wind. The scope doesnīt fog up. Itīs the heated barrel blurring sight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosbach View Post
    Current research is about finding the optimal caliber between 6,5 and 7 mm (assault, accuracy, long range capability).
    That's nothing new and going on for quite some time already. Personally, I don't think a new caliber will be introduced anytime soon - at least not in the Bundeswehr. Just imagine the nightmarish consequences when it comes to logistics. I shiver at that thought. 5,56 and 7,62 are NATO standard and cheap compared to the costs of something new.

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    Which weapon are we talking about right now, the G3 with a scope or the G28? Either way I'd like to know the source of your statement. Did you observe it yourself, did you read it anywhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosbach View Post
    The 7,62 kicks like a mule.

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    Another problem is: After firing 10 rounds, the barrel gets so hot, that it blurs the scope
    This discussion is getting silly...

    I own a MR308 on which the G28 is based on. The weapon is extremely good and there is nothing wrong with it's caliber.

    First time I shot from 300m was in a competition and I scored 16 center silhouette hits in 34 seconds. I'm sure I could shave 10s out of that easily these days with more trigger time with the gun. Recoil is not a problem, on the contrary the gun is extremely smooth shooting.

    Also, you will get thermal blur with any rifle with high-magnification scope. On heavy calibers it will be visible with few shots only if the gun is not equipped with a mirage band that directs the airflow to the sides. Luckily G28 does not even need a mirage band because the barrel is shrouded with the aluminium free-float hand guard that directs the hot air to the sides outside of the scopes view.(Hand guard also happens to work as a heat sink further alleviating the problem.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosbach View Post
    Wrong is the caliber. And itīs easy to mess around with it reducing its accuracy. Was never able to a hit a target at a distance of 300 m
    Hitting targets at 300 m with a standard G3 was easy, and I was just a conscript with not much training. But I had other experience because I had a hunting license before and shot other rifles. Always thought about the G3 as a very precise rifle, and soldiers there serving in the NVA before knowing AK-47/74 said the same. These are not really comparable on a second thought as the G3 is a battle rifle and the AK an assault rifle...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeiJoa View Post
    Hitting targets at 300 m with a standard G3 was easy, and I was just a conscript with not much training. But I had other experience because I had a hunting license before and shot other rifles. Always thought about the G3 as a very precise rifle, and soldiers there serving in the NVA before knowing AK-47/74 said the same. These are not really comparable on a second thought as the G3 is a battle rifle and the AK an assault rifle...
    Wasnīt that lucky. Guess the previous owner gave it a sprecial treat with a radiator

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