Most successful SOF operations in the 20th Century

[Atlantic Friend]

BTW : Syria isn't in africa...also jordan...

And can bet that Egept can kick france ass.

Everybody can beat everybody's ass, given the right circumstances... Has Egypt to beat a French invasion, or is it supposed to invade French coastal areas and fight its way onto Paris ? Does it receive support by other nations, or does it also have to fight through French allies ? Is Pres. Mubharak the Egyptian Clark Kent, does Pres. Chirac choke on a croissant, are UFOs involved, etc...

[S'13]

I seem to remember A-4, F-4 and Mirage jets that were superior to Mig-15, MiG-17, MIG-19s, I seem to remember British tanks that were superior to Soviet T-55s.

We didn't have any A-4's and F-4's in the Six Day War... only Mirage jets, this while the Egyptian and the Syrians were equipped with Mig-21s

As for the tanks, Israel was mostly equipped with Shermans (and a certain amount of Centurions). The Jordanians were also armed with British made Centurions.

I must have missed the time when Israel fought Arab armies that had fielded "most advanced and unlimited" French weapons.

The Syrians did use Renault R39 tanks in 1948.

[S'13]

As far as I know, NO Western army ever faced a Western army since WW2...as no war erupted in Western Europe from 1945 to the present.

Not true...

The Falklands War was fought between nations that are considerd to be a part of the West.

Anyway A.F, I don't really understand why you respond to posts that were part of a debate that has been dead for over a year if I'm not mistaken.

[Futile Talisman]

-Operation Spring of Youth, April 1973
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Any time Sayeret Maktal goes on an op in drag is a winner for me.

[S'13]

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Any time Sayeret Maktal goes on an op in drag is a winner for me.

Very true...

[S'13]

BTW A.F, here's a photo of a Syrian Renault 35 that was stopped at the entrance of Kibbutz Dgania in 1948 (and stands there untill this very day).

[Futile Talisman]

Very true...

S'13,

question if you don't mind,

re: Spring of Youth

Israeli Paratroopers hit Habash's PFLPO headquarters and S'13 conducted raids on fuel dumps in the Tyre-Sidon area of Lebanon as well that night in addition to the SM raid on the apartment complex, correct?

[AIRBORNEJOCK]

well for your information,i was there and i lost some freinds of mine in that country.So let me say that i think that you are a BASTARD for spiting on the graves of those dead soldiers by trying to insinuate that they were incompetent.Second,you were not there,you got your information from a damn book.nuff said.Third,check your facts,the main force that did the fighting that led to the pushing back of the rebels was the Nigerian Army.Yes the british commandoes played a pivotal role but still we did our part.And let me say this again,you are a SON OF A BITCH for insulting the dead.Thank you.This is all i am going to say on this topic.

the nigerians with the un used to let the west side boys do vcps with them and then watch as they raped and pilaged and there old favourite chopping kids hands off.
after op barras where 22 and a coy from 1 para assaulted the west side boys one of the chinooks was loaded with the enemy dead landed at a nigerian check point and unloaded them the oc of the para reg company then told the nigerian boss enough was enough or the next time its them who would be getting dragged from the back of a chinook.
now thats not from a book and any brit who was there will tell you how good the nigerians were.
i dont want to mock the dead but its fact mate so live with it!

[Atlantic Friend]

Not true...

The Falklands War was fought between nations that are considerd to be a part of the West.

Anyway A.F, I don't really understand why you respond to posts that were part of a debate that has been dead for over a year if I'm not mistaken.

Usually because I get too interested in the debate too notice the time the last message was posted !

[Atlantic Friend]

I must have missed the time when Israel fought Arab armies that had fielded "most advanced and unlimited" French weapons.

The Syrians did use Renault R39 tanks in 1948.

Renault R39 tanks, France's "most advanced" weapons ? Surely you jest. Good grief, these early 1930s-vintage tanks were leftovers from the colonial era when Syria/Lebanon were French protectorates !

[S'13]

Israeli Paratroopers hit Habash's PFLPO headquarters and S'13 conducted raids on fuel dumps in the Tyre-Sidon area of Lebanon as well that night in addition to the SM raid on the apartment complex, correct?

Very correct, the Shayetet 13 force had also hit weapons manufacturing facilities, it needs to be made clear that the fuel dumps were held by the PLO (this is for other people on this board, as I'm sure you are well aware of this).

[foxtrot023]

As far as "known", successful special op missions go, you can't leave out US Navy SEAL actions during the invasion of Panama. On the night of the invasion, two teams from Team 4 had missions in Panama, both meant to prevent the escape of Noriega. The first team was tasked to destroy Noriega's ocean boat, while the other was tasked with the destruction of his private jet. Both operations went to hell because of limited planning time, and the fact that Noriega was expecting similar attacks.

A dive team from the first team was successful in destroying the ship, despite the fact that Noriega's men were using grenades as depth charges against them. The second team was successful in infiltrating the airport where the plane was kept, but were engaged by Noriega's men who had set up defensive positions inside the planes hanger. The SEALs were caught on open ground with no cover, but still managed to disable the jet and neutralize Noriega's men. Four SEALs were killed and eight were wounded in that operation.

My father was passing by that airport as the shots started. The problem as you mentioned is that the Seals had no cover whatsoever, and heavily depended on suprise, but since bombs were dropping on Panama City, the suprise was lost.

Didn´t the Delta fellas took out Radio Nacional of Panama?

[S'13]

Usually because I get too interested in the debate too notice the time the last message was posted !

I thought so...

Renault R39 tanks, France's "most advanced" weapons ? Surely you jest. Good grief, these early 1930s-vintage tanks were leftovers from the colonial era when Syria/Lebanon were French protectorates !

Which wasn't long before the 1948 war... one thing is for sure, they were a lot more advanced than anything we had when the war broke out (one tank with no cannon).

[foxtrot023]

I agree, they did a fine job considering some of the circumstances. Those AC-130s ruled the skies in those battles.

Yep they did. We called them ¨guardian angels¨

[Atlantic Friend]

Which wasn't long before the 1948 war... one thing is for sure, they were a lot more advanced than anything we had when the war broke out (one tank with no cannon).

Not if you had Shermans they weren't ! LOL. The R39s were already obsolete in 1938... And again, they weren't neither new nor sold by France, they were leftovers from the French colonial troops that had left Syria/Lebanon.