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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambassador View Post
    Flightglobal article released:



    So once again I believe it's a formal consideration that FA-50 will be equipped with RACR or SABR if there are countries who want to buy it with an AESA radar. Alternatively there is another small Korean AESA radar with 590mm aperture size and 536 T/R modules under development in Korea with FA-50 as the primary testbed, but it will take some time for the program to complete, probably not before T-50 Phase III.

    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post5954900
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post5955674
    590mm is kinda normal for a fighter this size. Gripen NG is 600 mm and rafale 550 mm (if my memory serves me right).

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    Since T-50 Phase III is scheduled for operation in 2016, this radar fits the timeline for competition with aircraft such as Gripen NG.

    It seems we will have a lot of AESA-equipped light supersonic fighters to compete together in the coming years (FA-50 NG, Gripen NG, Tejas Mk2, JF-17 Mk2). Good luck to all of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambassador View Post
    Since T-50 Phase III is scheduled for operation in 2016, this radar fits the timeline for competition with aircraft such as Gripen NG.

    It seems we will have a lot of AESA-equipped light supersonic fighters to compete together in the coming years (FA-50 NG, Gripen NG, Tejas Mk2, JF-17 Mk2). Good luck to all of us.
    J-10b aswell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kieran :( View Post
    J-10b aswell?
    Yes, possibly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambassador View Post
    Flightglobal article released:



    So once again I believe it's a formal consideration that FA-50 will be equipped with RACR or SABR if there are countries who want to buy it with an AESA radar. Alternatively there is another small Korean AESA radar with 590mm aperture size and 536 T/R modules under development in Korea with FA-50 as the primary testbed, but it will take some time for the program to complete, probably not before T-50 Phase III.

    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post5954900
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post5955674

    $30 million for a non-AESA equipped FA-50 is on the spot. The approx. $30.8 million previous quote was expensive for an FA-50 equipped with only a relatively affordable radar like the Elta 2032. And I think $31-$31.5 million for an FA-50 equipped with an entry-level AESA is about right as well.

    Even the LCA version of the M-346 is being planned to have a SELEX Galileo 500E radar, so I think the FA-50 really do need to have an AESA radar option for foreign customers to compete for Int'l orders.

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    What is the timeline for M-346 LCA development? When is it going to end?

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    An article in Hebrew was published today by Israel Defense saying the first 20 FA-50 that were ordered by Korea's AF will be probably equipped with Elta's 2032 radar.
    The article says SK seems to have a net preference for this radar over the ones proposed by the two models offered by the American companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambassador View Post
    What is the timeline for M-346 LCA development? When is it going to end?
    18-24 months.


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    Alenia Aermacchi is willing to launch the development of a dual (training and combat) capable version of the M-346 Master advanced trainer/LIFT by the beginning of next year. The new version will feature an enhanced avionics and mission systems package including Selex Galileo's active electronically scanned array radar, the Selex Elsag communications suite based on secure radios and data Link 16, a helmet-mounted display and an electronic warfare suite based on Elettronica's RWR, and including a chaff and flare dispensing system. The dual-role M-346 will exploit the aircraft's capability to carry on nine stations an external 3,000kg load including air-to-air and air-to-ground missile and gun pods, such as new air-launched MBDA Marte Mk2/S-A anti-ship and Brimstone air-to-ground missiles, in addition to auxiliary fuel and targeting/recce/EW/training pods. The new version could be ready for production in 18-24 months from launch date, according to Alenia Aermacchi.
    [/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT]http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ine-up-364715/

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    Since the aircraft were ordered in groups of 20 it's possible that the next 40 FA-50 will have slightly different configurations. By the time the 20 FA-50 are being delivered the MLU of KF-16 will begin, and the remaining 40 may be be able to share common avionics with KF-16.

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    Thanks. It seems if Italy starts developing it in the next few months it will be ready by 2014 at the earliest. We'll have enough time to prepare our own FA-50 package with AESA radar.

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    Elta's EL/M-2052 can serve as an AESA radar for rich customers.

    http://www.iai.co.il/sip_storage/files/4/36834.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGXL836 View Post
    Elta's EL/M-2052 can serve as an AESA radar for rich customers.

    http://www.iai.co.il/sip_storage/files/4/36834.pdf
    El-2052 might had been in mass production sooner, and cheaper, had the US not pressed Israel to ban its sale to India for Gripen-NG and Tejas to promote the chances of F-16 and F-18.

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    So true...

    to promote the chances of F-16 and F-18
    Which both failed in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    The article says SK seems to have a net preference for this radar over the ones proposed by the two models offered by the American companies.
    We made an agreement with Elta that we can (for the most part) modify this EL/M-2032 radar for T-50 as we like. The US companies are unlikely to allow such kind of flexibility with their own AESA radars.

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    I've now found the most reliable source to answer this question:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    I've seen renders of the FA-50 with an insane weapons load, what's its realistic weapons load? Comparable to other light fighters (Jas-39, Jf-17, Tejas)?
    http://www.dodaam.com/eng/sub_0203_1_3.php

    The SMC is being developed for use with 9 weapon stations, 4 of which is for A2A and 5 is for A2G. Two of the A2A weapon stations can be located at the wings in dual missile rail configuration similar to F-16 (of course this is just my educated guess at the moment; see stations 7/7A and 3/3A in the following F-16 diagram), while the other two will be at the wing-tips. The rest will be used for ground-attack weapons. The system overall is described to be 'supportable for F-16's operational stores', so I believe it can be improvised to equip the same armament as F-16 as needed, for as long as the airframe can bear and spare the weight and size of the armament, and the radar supports the weapons' search-and-track requirement. Using RACR or SABR would basically mean being able to use virtually every light to medium weapon that F-16 is presently known to use.



    The new HUD that is being developed along with it is scheduled to be complete in 2012.2.29, so I believe the SMC will also be completed around that time and safely be used on FA-50. The HUD will feature improved weapon-aiming information display over previous T-50 and TA-50 variants, among others.

    http://www.dodaam.com/eng/sub_0203_1_2.php
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    Samsung Thales (STC) formally announced the development an AESA radar for FA-50 to compete with LIG Nex1's AESA radar model.

    From Samsung Thales homepage:



    In retrospect I think the lessons taught by LM's meddling with T-50's fighter transformation was highly useful to our defense industry in the long-term in that it compelled it to strive to become as self-sufficient as practically possible in fighter technology. Without the restriction on the use of foreign technology on FA-50 imposed by LM, our defense industry would not have worked harder to produce parallel domestic technology on its own to adapt to and overcome the imposition (if we were able to integrate the Selex 500E AESA radar on FA-50, this domestic FA-50 AESA radar project likely would not have taken off for a looong time). It explains the rigorous efforts by the Korean defense industry to indigenize as much avionics technology of FA-50 as possible so that the plane can operate with negligible foreign technology that LM may outrage at. A separate core avionics development project with the same objective of achieving technological self-sufficiency is being conducted by another consortium of Korean companies and defense development agencies through state-funded budget (the DoDaaM Systems fire control system in the above post is a part of this project):



    Government Funded Project to localize Core avionics systems and software. The mission software being called Operational Flight Program was developed using real-time Java language. This presentation shows how we came to choose Java and what we’ve done in the early stages of the development to adapt to Java.

    http://www.slideshare.net/keugbang/t...ent-using-java
    Our export variant T-50I for Indonesia is already able to use many of the above-mentioned domestic avionics technology that have been developed intentionally without Lockheed Martin's involvement. A lot of efforts have been poured to facilitate increasingly foreign-independent operation in the further development and manufacturing of T-50 in the past fifteen years. The turn-out in employment is remarkable (though not solely from T-50 work, even while it's KAI's single biggest aircraft program at present) and KAI envisions to quadruple its revenue in the next eight years:




    KAI, in cooperation with partners in 2020 four times Increase the aviation industry

    * - With 27 partners and growing Declaration Ceremony
    - Gyeongsangnam-do, our bank agreements with 40 billion mutual fund
    - Professional and technical personnel, and partners with the support of overseas orders viability enhancing activity

    (Four thousand Newswire) February 27, 2012 - Korea Aerospace Industries Ltd. (hereinafter KAI) in 27 days, with four thousand grow from its headquarters Chung Chairman, as the Governor of Gyeongsangnam-Doo - Gwan Kim Lee, Soon - Woo government, local government officials and bankers, and we社 27 partners, including representatives with more than 50 people attended the growth equation has declared funding and technical and personnel support, and the nature of the aviation industry has announced plans for mutual cooperation.

    http://www.newswire.co.kr/newsRead.php?no=605912&ected=
    The development of AESA radars by Samsung Thales and LIG Nex1 will reduce risk for the KFX radar program and enable our defense industry to enter the world AESA radar market in the foreseeable future. The T-50 core avionics technology will also serve as a stable foundation for the domestic derivative avionics development of future Korean aircraft.

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