Coin WW2

[Omnivorous]

Despite the fact that the documents in the archives have not yet been found, I insist on a version of the document, this was written, the source of the Bundesarhiva.

Imagining the coins in the occupied territory, it is necessary to understand who could pick up and use a coin in the occupied territories.
It may be just what you category of people from the Soviet collaborators working in the occupied territories to Germany voluntarily (spies, informers, informants, etc.)

My guess is that this coin - the document has confirmed a German dealer, Alfred Beck http://www.beck-militaria.de/, a few months ago, explaining that this document does not say what kind of document.

A comment from one of Russian forums.
Story of a German veteran of five years ago, that the coins spread the battalion commanders, among the local population - does not contradict the version of the one who wanted to, he took ...

A comment from one of Russian forums forums.
Such a stigma, seen on a coin, even in 199 × g for 15 kopecks in his youth did not show any interest.

The coin, marked abbreviation, as it is today and the driver's license or insurance certificate, there is a name that makes sense, there is a print, and expiry date. At 4 shared coins have it all in acronyms, and understanding the meanings of the stigma of one character to another.

One symbol, emblem of the Soviet Union, destroyed another symbol, an eagle with a swastika.
One explanation - the current, a Soviet officer, acting at the same time, a German, a voluntary worker, etc.
M43 - 43rd year of the sample document.
WB Wehrmacht Befehlshaber (Commander of the Armed Forces) - who have been issued at the last stage, the unit commander http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3812
It does not matter that some documents can not see the M4, those who need, and so aware of them, the most important figure is screwed into the stamp, which put the year of issue and validity of the document (temporary one year).
At number 3 on the outer edges, visible angular shape hexagon, the year of issue and validity of the document.
I suppose that number 3 is carved on the hexagon which is screwed into the stamp.
No. 4, is far from the number 3, the distance between the digits, allows using a key or other tool, it is easy to replace, the figure of the stamp on the desired year, could be placed over the years of occupation numbers 1-2-3-4.
ZM - Zeitmarke, Zeitmark - namely, a temporary document, which was valid for one year of issuance.

The coins were dug up in Belarus, a small heap, one man with a metal detector, about 3 years ago ...
All sold out, but perhaps, in his several thousand coins still exist, as these two ...

Coins from the M43 WB - are worn, there are traces of use, the stigma of an eagle and the letters on the reverse of the outer edges are smoothed over a coin hanging in the pocket throughout the year, among his own kind of 20-30, where she very well could hide, well is sometimes used for other purposes.
Coins from the M43 WB, having fulfilled his own, were returned to former owners, their commander unit - WB Wehrmacht Befehlshaber (Commander of the Armed Forces), which they gave the new M44 year.
The old, 43 years old, lay with the new documents, forms, blanks with the seal of an eagle.
In issuing the document, left, only to put a stamp of release ...

The coins with one eagle, well see that the edge of the stigma of characters do not have the marks of use, wear, like a coin with the M43 WB.

Blanks, blank stamped for new documents were in one place with the old, the sample 43 years old, used documents.

[Omnivorous]

Comment from the source Bundesarhiva.

If the coins were Abwehr business (espionage etc.) record group

RW 49 Nachgeordnete Dienststellen und Einheiten des OKW/ Amtes Ausland / Abwehr

would be interesting. The RG includes the surviving records of Abwehr units in Russia but it's only a small rest of what existed originally.
Checked the finding aid. The record titles do not refer to identity discs (but this was not to expect because the finding aid titles are quite general). But to check all Russia records would take plenty of time and the chance for success is very small. That's why I can not recommend research.


Possibly the coins were issued by a local commander or secret service officer. That means they could have been only of local use. Then there is no chance to find information because of small units and local commanders no records survived.


Often I saw forms and orders for identity cards for militias and collaborators but saw nothing about secret identity discs for Russians. But the existence of identity cards does not automatically exlude identity discs.

But most of the records of the secret service units are lost. The records in RW 49 are only a small rest. That means the chance that we can find docs in the Abwehr records is very small. Notwithstanding cheching the files would need plenty of time. That means the research will be expensive and the chance for success is very small.

But so many unauthorized things happend that it makes no sense to say: Impossible.

[Omnivorous]

In the story, there is a coin with nadchekanami, in the occupied territories ... AK Markov refers to the time they Countermark Persian campaign of Peter I, to the activities of Russian occupation authorities to regulate currency circulation in the occupied regions of Gilan and Mazendaran. Both monety1, which made Countermark, A. Markov, believed issued in Isfahan, one in the 1131's. (1718-1719 gg.), Another in the 1138's. (1725 - 1726 gg.) (Table I, 7, 10). Later in the Hermitage received the third copy Counterstamped coins (Table I, 8), which, according to AK Markova, released in Gandzhe2. http://vsemonetki.ru/books/item/f00/...18/st014.shtml

In order to find out who did it ... looking at these nadchekany, you will never forget about who were the people who made nadchekan, they were not numismatists, and religious people who believed in what they do, and that God helps them in these matters ...

Since this version has not heard, I will express it ...
The knowledge gained about the coins, the use of coins in ancient Rome, in order to spy on the occupied territories, Peter I have been put into practice ...
In the case of complete replacement of the coins in the occupied territories to coin nadchekanami, this area was automatically, under full control of security forces.
Spy, it was enough to provide the necessary knowledge to use with a coin.
The official explanation for the public, government action in their interests to be declared, but the essence was different ...
My opinion is that in many ways, for security in the occupied territory, it was this nadchekan.

[Omnivorous]

The very essence ofnadchekanawasa mysteryto peoplein the occupiedterritories ofancient Rome...
Forthe currentversionof thenadchekanah, on coins, I want to make asignificant addition...
The Romanswere among thefirst to usethese coinsfor safetyand useof coins,ruledthe occupied territories.
Usingancient andsecret knowledgeof Romanpriestsof Rome...spieswere everywhere...

The ancientpaganrite,nadchekanom, destroyedimageson coins.
The Romans andthe Orthodox,differentlyinterpretedhisnadchekany, because they are differentreligions,and, accordingly, different imageson the coins andnadchekanah...
Butthe very essence ofnadchekana, the use of secret knowledgewith the coinin the occupied territoriesremained unchanged...

NadchekanyRoman legions


NadchekanTenth Legion"Fretenzis"
Countermark of the Legio X Fretensis
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NadchekanTenth Legion"Fretenzis"
Countermark of the Legio X Fretensis
80610thlegionv1

http://www.judaea.ru/catalog/nadchekany ..._legionov /

[Omnivorous]

Continue ...

It is well known that the archaeological excavations carried out in all the occupied countries, and around the world in search of artifacts.

Conducting virtual excavation, we can see what the coins were the subject of their investigation.
In occupied Poland and Ukraine, could be investigated these coins ...

[Omnivorous]

S.C. The sign on the coin «Senatus Consultus» («By order of the Senate")


I want to draw attention to the fact that the manufacture of such coins in different countries, has always been a special decree of the Senate.

[Omnivorous]

Due to the fact that in today's Russia, can not find the answer to questions about the subject.
I declare the reward to anyone who helps uncover the truth.
This may be a few people.
Remuneration will, who will find a person who can tell the truth.
It may be, German veteran, or our former compatriots, who have fought against communism on the German side.
Or perhaps their descendants ... who can shed some light on this ...
The reward will be paid to them.

This will depend, at what price, selling coins at auction.

In the near future, 1 coin will be sold at auction in Russia.

[seasch]

Really nice coin (right one). Do you know more about the marks? (was talking about your 20th post)

[Omnivorous]

Really nice coin (right one). Do you know more about the marks? (was talking about your 20th post)

I can say for sure, of coins, made ​​a sign.

One of the coins offered for sale.
Invite all interested people to participate in the auction - http://staraya-moneta.ru/forum/forum67/topic33681/

[seasch]

Can you show the other side of the coin on your post nr. 20?

[Omnivorous]

Unfortunately, I can not show, a photo of the subject - http://staraya-moneta.ru/forum/forum...rase_id=112821

[Omnivorous]

A coin from the first post in this thread, for further research, transferred to the State Historical Museum ...

[GEORGE222]

Italian coins :

[GEORGE222]

Romanian coins :

1) 1942


2) 1942

[Omnivorous]

All the good time ...

Continuing research ....

Found in the network, these things ...

The so-called - tools to fight