Syrian Uprising - Photos and Videos Thread - Read First post.. Excessive graphic warn

**KoTeMoRe** · 03-18-2012

Originally Posted by gresh

With a reasonable expectation of safety, no. Anybody behind that guy would be blown back and scorched. There are newer anti-tank weapons like the at-4CS that can be fired in an enclosed space using water to absorb the back-blast and stuff, but not the RPG-7.

I don't even think he'd be able to fire it through that tiny hole even if it was just a wall and nothing behind him.

Chechens disagree with you. I trust them over you. For this crap they're quite the cunning linguists.

**Flamming_Python** · 03-18-2012

Originally Posted by gresh

Yes, because I'm sure those were free and fair elections. But you're right, who cares about the massacring of 3 generations of a family.

There are just as many accusations from the people who suffered at the hands of the rebels. One man had a Russian wife who was killed by a bullet. Another had his brother dragged out of a bus by rebels or some such. The familly of an officer said that the rebels attempted to threaten his familly and coerce him into defecting, or some such. Honestly it just sounds like banditry. Listening to some of those stories, told yes, with emotion and conviction, it just sounds a lot like what happened in Chechnya when law and order fell apart there. If 1/3rd of the casualties in Syria so far are of the Syrian army and police; they can't be all that brutal - the numbers don't add up. So I would suggest you to stop being emotionally swindled by cheap propaganda (it's war) and start looking at the situation for what it is.

Did you not read his emails where he joked about how the new constitution was junk? Or was that a Western conspiracy?

It was probably fake to be honest. Simply put, from a simple mathematical perspective, the chances that it just so happens that his private email account is hacked and it just so happens that in a particular email he cynically derides his own political lifeline that just so happens to be the target of attempts of de-legitimisation by Western governments - is far less likely than it just being another piece of propaganda in a war which is completely full of it.

**gresh** · 03-18-2012

Originally Posted by Flamming_Python

There are just as many accusations from the people who suffered at the hands of the rebels. One man had a Russian wife who was killed by a bullet. Another had his brother dragged out of a bus by rebels or some such. The familly of an officer said that the rebels attempted to threaten his familly and coerce him into defecting, or some such. Honestly it just sounds like banditry. Listening to some of those stories, told yes, with emotion and conviction, it just sounds a lot like what happened in Chechnya when law and order fell apart there. If 1/3rd of the casualties in Syria so far are of the Syrian army and police; they can't be all that brutal - the numbers don't add up. So I would suggest you to stop being emotionally swindled by cheap propaganda (it's war) and start looking at the situation for what it is.

So you're denying the outright slaughter of Syrian's by Assad's regime? You act as if this is some police operation to sweep the streets of criminals. This is nothing like that, this is wholesale slaughter. This is shelling of entire neighborhoods with Russian-made artillery pieces. The FSA doesn't have heavy weapons and aren't leveling neighborhoods so it's up to the Syrian government to cease hostilities. Even if you are correct and 1/3 of the casualties in Syria are their own military, that still means the majority of those are innocent civilians who want nothing to do with the conflict. That other 2/3 you stated are all people dying at the hand's of Syrian Army officers and Assad's Shabiha. How can all these people who've had their relatives raped and murdered by Assad goons all be lying?

KoTeMoRe:

Chechens disagree with you. I trust them over you. For this crap they're quite the cunning linguists.

Hhhokay budday, you try firing an RPG-7 from a tiny room through a peep hole. Please post on teh Youtubez.

**KoTeMoRe** · 03-18-2012

Originally Posted by gresh

So you're denying the outright slaughter of Syrian's by Assad's regime? You act as if this is some police operation to sweep the streets of criminals. This is nothing like that, this is wholesale slaughter. This is shelling of entire neighborhoods with Russian-made artillery pieces. The FSA doesn't have heavy weapons and aren't leveling neighborhoods so it's up to the Syrian government to cease hostilities. Even if you are correct and 1/3 of the casualties in Syria are their own military, that still means the majority of those are innocent civilians who want nothing to do with the conflict. That other 2/3 you stated are all people dying at the hand's of Syrian Army officers and Assad's Shabiha. How can all these people who've had their relatives raped and murdered by Assad goons all be lying?

KoTeMoRe:

Hhhokay budday, you try firing an RPG-7 from a tiny room through a peep hole. Please post on teh Youtubez.

Been done before, Grozny, Gudermes, Khasavyurt. It's not because it isn't on Youtwoob that it hasn't been done. I guess the Russians that suffered those losses in 1995 died of self-combustion. RPG shots have been fired from basements, prepared rooms, sewers etc.

**gresh** · 03-18-2012

Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe

Been done before, Grozny, Gudermes, Khasavyurt. It's not because it isn't on Youtwoob that it hasn't been done. I guess the Russians that suffered those losses in 1995 died of self-combustion. RPG shots have been fired from basements, prepared rooms, sewers etc.

Oh I'm not debating it hasn't been done, I'm just saying it's not a smart idea and probably wasn't meant for that. If you have a wall close behind you, the back-blast can probably be deflected back at the operator and cause a severe burn. That's why I said it's not a reasonable, safe thing to do.

A lot of the new one-shot, disposable anti-tank weapons are being designed with water or foam to absorb the blast and make it safer to fire from an enclosed space. Sweden has this with their at-4cs (confined-space) which is used worldwide.

**gresh** · 03-18-2012

Syrian Army throwing people off the top of buildings in Deir ez-Zor.

**KoTeMoRe** · 03-18-2012

Uhh I don't care what the newer ATW are made for. I'm telling you people have fired RPG/PzF type of weapons from verry narrow spaces with the right preparation. Usually a hole on the reciprocating wall, a specific angle to spread the back blast. Hell folks whave shot T-34's in berlin from basements with the primitive PzF. In Hue City the Black P's would even fire from small peep holes.

It can be done, and it has been done. Period.