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    Quote Originally Posted by Laworkerbee View Post
    Defecting soldier = rebel
    Semantics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impartial Bias View Post
    Semantics.
    Perhaps to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laworkerbee View Post
    Perhaps to you.
    That would be objective, based on person to person, so I guess so. Still, Semantics.
    Anyways, I don't want this to turn into a hostile discussion, so I'll keep it in the back of my mind to use the PC terms of "Insurgent" and "Rebel" in future posts, but if I forget to, I hope you'll forgive my oversight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impartial Bias View Post
    I'm for self-determination, in that regard. If the majority of Chechyan people feel that they no longer want to be part of Russia, then they shouldn't have to be. Remember that, during the Chechen wars, the Russian military killed upwards of 130,000 civilians, the majority of whom were ethnically Russian. So who's the better person in that episode? The supposed "terrorists" or the Russian state?
    I didn't support the Libyan War because we got militarily involved in it. We said that the NATO imposed a No-Fly Zone for the "protection of civilians threatened by Gadafi" and that we wouldn't take sides, but then we immediately instigated violence and further conflict by bombing Libyan infrastructure and military targets in support of the Rebel movement.
    If the FSA can successfully overthrow Assad's regime without major outside support, then that proves that they have the backing of the majority of Syria, and so have the right to set up a new government. As long as major outside support stays out of the conflict, I support the Revolution. My only hope is that a worse dictator doesn't take control in Syria.
    You support the revolution for the sake of changing the current status or support the revolution because the opposition is close to your perception of an ideal future for Syria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impartial Bias View Post
    That would be objective, based on person to person, so I guess so. Still, Semantics.
    Anyways, I don't want this to turn into a hostile discussion, so I'll keep it in the back of my mind to use the PC terms of "Insurgent" and "Rebel" in future posts, but if I forget to, I hope you'll forgive my oversight.
    This isn't hostile; you're 17 and have 22 posts and so I'm trying to work with you here. Words have a way of shaping perception which is why these men want to be referred to as soldiers. Do you understand what I'm getting at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laworkerbee View Post
    This isn't hostile; you're 17 and have 22 posts and so I'm trying to work with you here. Words have a way of shaping perception which is why these men want to be referred to as soldiers. Do you understand what I'm getting at?
    Please don't take my age as an indicator as to my level of intelligence and understanding, that's insulting. And yes, I'm a new member, but that doesn't relate anything as to what I know of political, military, historical, linguistic, etc. matters.
    And yes, words do have a way of shaping perception. I alluded to this in an earlier post (I believe it to be a couple pages back, in reply to another on the use of the words "Rebel" and "Insurgent", you may want to look back at it). In that post I was talking about how the term "Rebel" is often thought of as a positive word, synonymous with "Freedom-Fighter", whereas a term like "Insurgent" is a negative word, often associated with "Terrorism".
    Again, this is all semantics often used by media sources in an attempt to subconsciously alter the way you percept information.

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    FFS I try and be nice and I'm apparently insulting. Fine, anger me and I shall squash you like a bug then. Fucking teenagers. You're 17 which means your level of intelligence and understanding are completely questionable, I'll tell you this for certain, your situational awareness sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laworkerbee View Post
    FFS I try and be nice and I'm apparently insulting. Fine, anger me and I shall squash you like a bug then. Fucking teenagers.
    And I'm trying to have a civil conversation.
    Again, you are basing age as a measure of intellect and cognitive abilities.
    I don't like causing conflict with people I don't personally know. However, yes, I am offended when someone dismisses me based on age or generalizing me as a "****ing teenager."
    I won't pursue the subject, but I think it is right to let people voice their opinion without being judged on age, or other generalizations.
    I'm sorry if I angered you, and again, I don't want to start hostilities with others. I hope you will accept my apologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impartial Bias View Post
    And I'm trying to have a civil conversation.
    Again, you are basing age as a measure of intellect and cognitive abilities.
    I don't like causing conflict with people I don't personally know. However, yes, I am offended when someone dismisses me based on age or generalizing me as a "****ing teenager."
    I won't pursue the subject, but I think it is right to let people voice their opinion without being judged on age, or other generalizations.
    I'm sorry if I angered you, and again, I don't want to start hostilities with others. I hope you will accept my apologies.
    What he is trying to say is that your young intellect and your cognitive ability has not been exposed to enough input (17 no time) in order to have the ability to make proper judgement and decisions.

    I am quite sure your education and chosen readings have brought you up to a sufficient level of understanding of right or wrong. However the situation here is still fluid and there are many factors that have made Syria the way it is now.

    Stay around, watch and participate. Kapish

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    Quote Originally Posted by themacedonian View Post
    What he is trying to say is that your young intellect and your cognitive ability has not been exposed to enough input (17 no time) in order to have the ability to make proper judgement and decisions.

    I am quite sure your education and chosen readings have brought you up to a sufficient level of understanding of right or wrong. However the situation here is still fluid and there are many factors that have made Syria the way it is now.

    Stay around, watch and participate. Kapish
    Which is fine, but he does not personally know me, so his assumptions on knowledge and cognitive ability are baseless. And as for input, my grandfather (my caretaker and mentor) is a veteran of 2 wars, as well as being a former University level professor, with doctorates in Sociology and Psychology. This coupled with the fact that every generation of my family has had military service since the American Civil War. THESE are my inputs. They do not reflect my personal skills and knowledge, but have helped shape it. I just want this to be known, so that my knowledge is no longer based on age assumptions. Remember that some of histories greatest thinkers and inventors were creating in their teenage years.

    Also, I'd like to reiterate that I don't want to cause conflict and am sorry if I have angered @Laworkerbee. I hope this will not make you have a negative view of me in the future.

    Thanks, themacedonian. I certainly will.

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    Just another thing. For every smart analyst or smart person outside Syria that cares about the state of the country in one way or another there are 10 dumb fundamentalist insurgents/rebels/terrorists/army soldiers that do not give a fk about what the west thinks.

    Always have to consider the locals .

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    Quote Originally Posted by themacedonian View Post
    You support the revolution for the sake of changing the current status or support the revolution because the opposition is close to your perception of an ideal future for Syria?
    An ideal Syria would be a Syria that has a stable government and economy, able to provide for and protect its citizens, with an elected government, and unrestricted civil rights for all groups and minorities.
    However, I believe, in the present contemporary times, that many of these ideals mentioned above are not possible, given the highly sectarian and segregated atmosphere in Syria. I've said this before, Assad and his regime could fall today and it would change little in Syria. Assad is only a small part of the problem, he is the antagonizer, the match to kerosene.
    However, everything has to start somewhere. Hopefully, by overthrowing Assad, the Syrian people will make steps closer to a respectable democracy in their country, although Syria does have a loooooong way to go.

    Sorry for the long reply time, didn't realize you had replied back.

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    wow a page with no photos or vids, whats happening here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by themacedonian View Post
    Just another thing. For every smart analyst or smart person outside Syria that cares about the state of the country in one way or another there are 10 dumb fundamentalist insurgents/rebels/terrorists/army soldiers that do not give a fk about what the west thinks.

    Always have to consider the locals .
    And ultimately, these are the people that cause conflict.
    I always marvel at how countries (or, more simply, different factions within countries) are more willing to tear their countries apart, than to work together to solve issues for the common good. Syria has been wavering towards being a failed state for years, and I think the recent conflict can go one of two ways: Syrians cast aside their differences and institute a true democracy and edge closer and closer to being a stable and reputable state, OR, Syria's sectarian violence increases, and the country devolves into a failed state with many revolutions, constant regime change, a breakdown in economic, social, and governmental order, etc. Being the middle eastern analog to Somalia.
    I can only hope for the former outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poolboy View Post
    wow a page with no photos or vids, whats happening here?
    Ask, and you shall receive.
    Free Syrian Army celebrating the destruction of KhalidBin Alaweed tank brigade in Homs.

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