Syrian Uprising - Photos and Videos Thread - Read First post.. Excessive graphic warn

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Aaah but the failings of a righteous observer is that one might be able to achieve such state over time if the country does go through enough peaceful time.

What you compare it to is the current state of USA or some western country which have had long period of peace and independent development to sort out their internal issues and problems.

USA 100 years after its independence had a Civil war. One set of people had to be defeated.
France in the 1860's had to slaughter a large number of people in the middle of Paris.

Middle east is simply in a different stage of development and mindset. You are making a judgement based on your more advanced mindset.

Let them sort it out on their own and yes it is messy.

Which is exactly what I'm trying to say, in that same comment I gave examples of how those ideals are not presently possible.
I think if they can (within their own capacity and without outside help) successfully overthrow a repressive regime like Assads, and replace it with a democracy, they will make steps to the LONG road towards legitimate freedom and democracy.
Everything has to start somewhere.

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leading military parachutist Hossam Munif:


diesel truck torched:


Tank round holes in the side of nearly every single house..


Some folks joining the Forouk Battalion in Homs, ran by Lt. Tlass:

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Which is exactly what I'm trying to say, in that same comment I gave examples of how those ideals are not presently possible.
I think if they can (within their own capacity and without outside help) successfully overthrow a repressive regime like Assads, and replace it with a democracy, they will make steps to the LONG road towards legitimate freedom and democracy.
Everything has to start somewhere.

And those previous revolutions did not happen without interference. America for example had huge support for it's revolution from France.

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And those previous revolutions did not happen without interference. America for example had huge support for it's revolution from France.

Noted and agreed. And the South in the US civil war had external support.

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And those previous revolutions did not happen without interference. America for example had huge support for it's revolution from France.

Material support is one thing. It's inevitable in any revolution that there will be outside support, usually in the form of economic and materiel aid. A good example of this would be the Communist Revolution in China, the Greek Civil War, or the Reunification of Vietnam, in which both Eastern and Western nations gave economic and materiel support, but we did not get militarily involved in the conflict (I will not consider the Reunification of Vietnam as a part of the US involvement in Vietnam, because after 1973 and the Paris Peace Accords, we were no longer militarily involved in Vietnam, and basically allowed Saigon to fall without US military intervention).
What I consider to be major outside support would be actual foreign troops fighting for a cause or group within a sovereign state or country. The most recent example of this would be in Libya and the NATO air campaign in that country in support of the revolutionaries. The revolutionaries had major military assistance from an outside source, and so did not take power purely by themselves. This could mean that the current regime is somewhat illegitimate as we brought a cause to power, and not a group. Because of this, infighting could erupt in the coming years because it is not clear which group is supported by the majority of Libyans. Before this, the rebels were an umbrella group working for a clear cause of getting Gaddafi out of power. Now that Gaddafi is gone, the umbrella group has broken up and the different factions with different interests that always develope in a power vacuum are starting to emerge. Add this to the chaos caused by the recent hostilities and, well, you've got a nasty situation on your hands.

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FSA in Homs

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Defection of 2 officers 4/7/2012
1.Captain Moataz Ghanem from air defence Regiment 741.
2.Lieutenant Bashar 72 air defense safety.

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Not sure if this has been posted up yet, but apparently the FSA has captured an Iranian Revolutionary Guard who had been supporting Assads regime. By far, one of the more interesting things I've heard about the conflict.

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FSA fighting in Homs 4/7/2012

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Not sure if this has been posted up yet, but apparently the FSA has captured an Iranian Revolutionary Guard who had been supporting Assads regime. By far, one of the more interesting things I've heard about the conflict.

There is no doubt the IRG is in Syria, but in some cases the Iranian's they've captured have just been Iranian workers caught up in the conflict. If it's the latter, I hope they release him to the Iranian embassy immediately.

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There is no doubt IRG in Syria, but in some cases the Iranian's they've captured have just been Iranian workers caught up in the conflict. If it's the latter, I hope they release him to the Iranian embassy immediately.

Could be, but that's a legit Iranian military uniform he's wearing.
But, you're right, not enough info to tell if he is actually IRG.

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Could be, but that's a legit Iranian military uniform he's wearing.
But, you're right, not enough info to tell if he is actually IRG.

well his got a strong persian accent

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