Eurogeddon, the end of the Euro

[Silent Reader]

We will still live a better every day life than the average German. It's not a matter of money but gusto.

Well there is no reason to complain then. ^^

[DuHasst]

I think it was because of "United Europe" idea at this time.

But it seems some countries had a different understang about a Monetary Union and what it's good for.

Italy also joined without fullfilling the criterias.

We will see how it will end for them.

United Europe? Try again sir.

Greece was simply their little biatch that used to buy their weaponry, their cars and generally was an excellent
costumer. Unlike Italy or Spain, Greece didn`t produce anything so no competition there also it was a small
country that had no significant saying in anything.

Well there is no reason to complain then. ^^

Its the average German the one complaining all the time about corrupted PIIGS and never about
the incompetent goverment that violates daily the basics of economy science.

[EKIVOLOS]

Unlike Italy or Spain, Greece didn`t produce anything so no competition there also it was a small
country that had no significant saying in anything.
.

Define produce.

[johanness]

Same thing goes for countries. The sooner they go bunkrupt the less money everybody loses.

But again austerity can overcome any difficulty!

That's what I wrote.

I think for austerity it's too late.

It would be better to make a new start, but first you have to bring your house in order.

Fire all your civil servant you don't need, take all the taxes you should, stop paying rent for dead people and stop the fakelaki system.

[DuHasst]

Define produce.

There were many Greek industries that were producing competitive products to the German industry?
I`m not talking about feta or even steel, i`m talking about high tech products that are the backbone
of the German exports.

Fire all your civil servant you don't need, take all the taxes you should, stop paying rent for dead people and stop the fakelaki system.

Those are really irelevant today with half eurocountries being bunkrupt and entering heavy recession.

[muttbutt]

If you follow the dicussions in German forums like


Der Spiegel http://forum.spiegel.de/f5/

FAZ http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/europaeische-union/

Handelsblatt http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/...s/7016972.html


and many others


or in economy discussions like http://www.ariva.de/forum/Der-USA-Ba...-283343#bottom


you can get the picture that about 70-80% of the Germans are rather critical about the future of the €uro.

I have the feeeling that online forums are the same the World over and certain opinions seem more dominant in them.

It's like the UK, if you just went by forums there on for example the EU, then the UK would have had a UKIP government and left th EU 15 years ago.

Yet here they are still voting for the tories and Labour.

[Dexx]

Than you for being honest and say that your real problem is our way of living.

I have no problem with Fakelaki, bloated public sector, early retirement, non competitetive privater sector, rampant tax evasion, jobs for party members and friends as long as you can pay for this lifestyle yourself.

[EKIVOLOS]

I have no problem with Fakelaki, bloated public sector, early retirement, non competitetive privater sector, rampant tax evasion, jobs for party members and friends as long as you can pay for this lifestyle yourself.

Speaking of fakelaki, do you know that Siemens is under scrutiny for bribes in 27 countries? Don't pretend to be the saints, you are not.

[muttbutt]

Speaking of fakelaki, do you know that Siemens is under scrutiny for bribes in 27 countries? Don't pretend to be the saints, you are not.

I think there might be a difference between a company doing it abroad and the other which is a (at least) semi excepted social convention. As that type of thing seems to have been in Greece....

[EKIVOLOS]

I think there might be a difference between a company doing it abroad and the other which is a (at least) semi excepted social convention. As that type of thing seems to have been in Greece....

Social convention, you mean this?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Li...ein_tax_affair

Millions of euros belonging to hundreds of citizens living in Germany were channeled into the LGT Bank and other banks in Liechtenstein,^[3] taking advantage of Liechtenstein-based trusts to evade paying taxes in Germany. According to the prosecutor's office these trusts "have been created apparently only to evade paying taxes

[DuHasst]

I have no problem with Fakelaki, bloated public sector, early retirement, non competitetive privater sector, rampant tax evasion, jobs for party members and friends as long as you can pay for this lifestyle yourself.

Yet again complain to your freaking goverment, they`re the ones that give more and more money to bunkrupt countries.

Out of curiocity, Spain did it all right, why did they ended like Greece?

I think there might be a difference between a company doing it abroad and the other which is a (at least) semi excepted social convention. As that type of thing seems to have been in Greece....

Well judging by Siemens and Ferrostahl it seems its a business practice in Germany to make money by paying
corrupted politicians.

[tluassa]

The point is that Greece not Germany is bankrupt and begging for money. Stop blaming Germany for your misery.

[DuHasst]

The point is that Greece not Germany is bankrupt and begging for money. Stop blaming Germany for your misery.

When was the last time a beggar FORCED you to give him money..?

What about Portugal, Spain, Ireland? I mean how all these beggars force Germany to give them money?

Personally i`m blaming the average German that prefers blaming Greeks rather than its failed goverment.

[muttbutt]

Social convention, you mean this?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Li...ein_tax_affair

No I don't mean that.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but "Fakelaki" was pretty much an everyday thing for getting services etc, driver licences etc expedited quickly. I'm not sure that is quite so widespred in Germany.

[EKIVOLOS]

The point is that Greece not Germany is bankrupt and begging for money. Stop blaming Germany for your misery.

Misery?



The German media drive you by the nose, why don't you come and have a little ''misery'' too?