IMHO surrogate materials like steel/moly/bismuth etc does not work as well as lead. This results in more wounded and suffering game animals. Lead as a solid metal isn't as poisonous material as some greenies have made it to look like. Lead coming out off cars was lot worse due the fact that it was in atomized state, this lead to belief that all lead is equally dangerous. Solid lead is pretty passive element.Originally Posted by Mr Gently Benevolent
Anyway, prove me wrong and I'm happy to admit it.
I think you are confusing how reactive it is in elemental form with how toxic it is. Lead is fairly unreactive in it's elemental state but can certainly have a nasty impact on health. You only need to look at the NFPA 704 "fire diamond" for lead to confirm this.
I'm tired and maybe didn't express my self clearly. What I'm trying to say is that lead in its solid state doesn't dissolve into water, so it wont get into ground water or spread anywhere. To get it into your body one would have to go and eat those pellets and this is quite unlikely to happen.
Lead is of course nasty heavy metal and one should minimize exposure for it.
Canada also has enforced no lead for waterfawl hunting, dont know if it has more to do with possibility of a wounded migratory bird carying the lead pellet for a distance/time(poisoning the meat that can be consumed by another, more lucky hunter?) or the fact that plenty of it ends up in the water
I wear a Johnson's Woolen Mills Double Cape Jac Shirt and flannel lined Carhartts usually...
Its banned in North Carolina.
go **** and smear mud all over your body, and get a spear, then your a real hunter.
But joke aside normal cloths really are fine, but smell is the most important factor I've heard a lot since that is normally a key sense for many animals and pigs as you can guess have that sense down pretty well. Plus don't make it easy, easy things never are fun unlike a good challenge that really test you.
Lots of problems with contaminated land at gun clubs and military ranges. The deposition of lead pellets, whilst fairly minor could lead to be a significant issue in the longer term. Given that it is deposited in water, and could, depending on the makeup of the pellets, make its way into drinking water etc.
What's up T3ngu?
I'm first to admit that I don't have degree in chemistry but I have friends who do have. This is what I have massed together. According to people that I know lead is not as much of a problem as it's claimed to be. Not all states of lead are equal -> some are extremely toxic to nature and humans. For example lead from primers or if you make your own bullets and have melt it before pouring, you should take every precaution possible. Lead shot to bank forms oxide surface and if the ground ain't really acid, it shouldn't get into ground water or anywhere else.
I'll admit that some ranges do have a problem because ground is pretty acid at a places over here. Some ranges don't have any problems. BTW every range that is in regular use have to get environment permit. They measure noise "pollution" and ground water pollutants like lead and keep monitoring those. It has been pain in to ass (expensive) for some smaller ranges in countryside that aren't used by many people.
Hey flake man.
The issue is the environmental availability of lead. Which in turn is related to the type of lead. Whilst good quality ammunition may be appropriately made, cheap imports are just as likely to be crappy. Same as Iron (Fe) if your vitamin pills, some of the Iron is just not available once you take it. Nearly killed my neice a few years back, the iron tablets she was on due to a blood problem didn't do anything.
At the end of the day it may not be a problem, but banning it is one way of reducing issuese later down the line. I can assure you site remediations are not cheap! But you are right, once the lead shot comes into contact with water or air, it can form a coating which slows further corrosion. Having said that, lead can still get into the top few inches of soil as the corrosion products are soluble (i.e. goes into water). Its not like other sites such as petrol stations, where the contamination is more defined. Having said that, recent research out of new zeland has shown lead in ranges to be higher than what is considered "safe".
The testing associated with approvals for ranges can be onerous, i know, i write approvals from time to time, but at the end fo the day, most of it relates to good practice. If a range is going to operate, it needs to do so within good practice. Im yet to work on a range job, but some of the guys here have.
About 8 years ago I was a civilian security and marksmanship instructor for the U.S. Navy, and all of us instructors had elevated lead levels as the result of spending a lot of time in an indoor range with rapid fire 7.62 and 5.56 that overwhelmed the ventilation system. Every time you fire a round in which the base of the bullet is exposed lead, a tiny amount of that is vaporized. We were breathing it. Thankfully, none of us got sick.
I expected the bullets outer coating to have a bit of vaporization from it scraping the case and barrel but didn't know the lead at the base would vaporize a bit just from the powder burning. Also you and friends and i'm guessing students to are lucky people.
Yep, I'm going to indoor pistol range tomorrow. I have never really liked shooting in indoors. One of the problems is the primers, most of them have lead, which can get into your body trough breathing.
When I were in Kosovo there was a gypsy (Ashkali) camp on old factory yard near Pristina. The problem was that factory had produced lead batteries for cars etc and the ground was extremely polluted by heavy metals. Many Ashkali children were disabled and/or mentally handicapped.
Hooyah. Couldn't resist.
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