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    I've been a lurker here for quite a while.I've found it to be a no bs place for genuinely informed discussions which has compelled me to join and clear up some misconceptions about Operation linda nchi.It had nothing to do with tourists or because the KDF were 'sent' in by the West;also contrary to 'expert' opinion,its not the KDF's only war.
    Somalia lies a few km north of Lamu,which is projected to be the base of a Chinese built 22bn $ oil pipeline/railway/highway running to Juba to the CAR ,ending in Douala on the Atlantic in Cameroon. This intercontinental land bridge is crucial as it will open hitherto neglected N.Kenya,export S.Sudanese oil and access totally unknown CAR,still a total wilderness apart from population centres in the central region.
    http://www.trademarksa.org/news/keny...an-oil-exports
    There was no way construction,slated to start next year,could begin with Al Shabaab controlling things so close to the border. the allies in the West were surprised and allowed themselves to be swayed by regional pretenders,Zenawi and Museveni's collective low opinion of the KDF. Fyi,the previous actual battle experience was against Somalis,when the largely N.Eastern Somali province attempted to secede after independence and join their kin. The air force was tiny,the aircav non existant while army was no more than I think 6 regiments,max.,90% of the Somali in the 150,000 km2 province supported secession,while they were assisted by the then Somali army but still they were defeated.
    The Kenya gov't ever since the breakup of Somalia has wanted to establish a buffer state,to be called Azania or Jubbaland. An advantageous confluence of converging factors thus informed the decision.

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    I will never have a bad word to say about anyone slotting Islamists, or any other religious militant group.
    Give them hell, Kenya.

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    Western nations need to give up this silly idea that Somalia can be restored as one unified country and accept partitioning it into several states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [WDW]Megaraptor View Post
    Western nations need to give up this silly idea that Somalia can be restored as one unified country and accept partitioning it into several states.
    Western arbitrary partition of states in Africa? Come again, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sootan View Post
    Western arbitrary partition of states in Africa? Come again, huh?
    The partion already happened. And it has not been lead by the West.

    And the Kenyan invasion can only bring improvement for Southern Somaila, as it cant get any worse. So far it seems like the Kenyans have done a very good job.

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    Also thanks for the info THEKYUKE, interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redox View Post
    The partion already happened. And it has not been lead by the West.

    And the Kenyan invasion can only bring improvement for Southern Somaila, as it cant get any worse. So far it seems like the Kenyans have done a very good job.

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    Also thanks for the info THEKYUKE, interesting.
    Its not so much a war,but a reinforced brigade live firex,with supporting arms. What I find amusing is the 'experts' talking through their ****,excuse my french. Here's a typical example:
    Considering the small size, poor condition and inexperience of Kenya’s fighter force, it’s perhaps surprising that the F-5s have been so busy over Somalia. But there are signs that the high operational tempo is taking a toll. Two F-5s reportedly collided and crashed near Kismayo last week. And an F-5 mistakenly bombed Somali refugees at a camp also near Kismayo, reportedly killing five civilians.
    http://www.offiziere.ch/?p=6767
    That was presstv propaganda. In the 2nd case al shabaab had hidden an aa position near a refugee camp. Fyi, a deal to deliver 35 f-15 ees was signed in 2009. They were to have been delivered by end of 2010. Those 'new' f-5s in use were upgraded at a licenced Jordanian facility.
    Even pirates are reducing their demands hoping to cash in before the KDF puts the gravy train on permanent lockdown.
    Shipping experts said that the amount of ransom demanded by pirates for vessels had dropped by about 50 per cent and could fall further in coming days once “Operation Linda Nchi” (Defend the Country) is completed.

    “Initially, the pirates holding captive the Algerian flagged MV BLIDA were demanding $6 million to release the vessel and her multi-national crew. But a package of $3.5 million was delivered on the vessel and they freed it,” said Andrew Mwangura, the Seafarers’ Assistant Programmes (SAP) coordinator
    http://www.eaglespeak.us/2011/11/som...-punitive.html

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    Give em hell Kenya! I have a soft spot esp since Kenya still operates the F-5, one of my favorites

    Most of my dad's family lived in Kenya, till they were more or less forced to leave, lulz

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    Quote Originally Posted by IconOfEvi View Post
    Give em hell Kenya! I have a soft spot esp since Kenya still operates the F-5, one of my favorites

    Most of my dad's family lived in Kenya, till they were more or less forced to leave, lulz
    Actually,the f5 may be overkill for this scenario,especially for a 3rd world country. In a low AA/SAM environment dedicated turbo prop ground atack 'mud movers' would be ideal. They're much cheaper to operate,often a few hundred dollars per hour. I'm thinking of the OV-10/Pucara type.
    Meanwhile the Brits want to get involved. This info isn't being received with joy as its seen as a hijacking of a successful locally arranged political and military process for the gain of foreigners.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-6280391.html
    David Cameron describes Somalia as "a failed state that directly threatens British interests" and will convene a summit in London in February to bring together the countries currently active in the Horn of Africa state. A number of key decisions are expected to be made there, ranging from humanitarian aid to military missions
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    Btw,IconofEvil,whats the story on your family's departure if I may ask?

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    Your military is just plain incompetent
    This is what was announced
    "the mother of all battles "
    http://mobile.nation.co.ke/News/Keny...s/-/index.html
    Chirchir said last month Kenyan forces are “willing to celebrate Christmas” in Kismayo if it takes that long to arrive there. The army hasn’t provided any schedule for its planned advance or details on the size of its force.
    http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/201...art-al-shabaab
    Not only Zenawi {Ethiopia} and Museveni {Uganda} but everybody in our region know that your military is a joke . I would like you to show me the evidence supporting your claims as having defeated a band of rebels secessionist supported by the now defunct gov of Somalia , because I have a ton of links that shows the indiscriminate killing of civilians conducted by your people .
    in the 60's
    http://allafrica.com/stories/201105110126.html
    and in the 80's
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagalla_massacre
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    Back in the 60's
    Victims recalled camels and donkeys were shot on sight because they were considered instruments of war. In fact, the camel population was almost wiped out in the period. Kenyan troops thought Shiftas took away the livestock for food or transport
    http://allafrica.com/stories/201105110126.html
    in 2011
    [SIZE=5]Military spokesman, Major Emmanuel Chirchir, announced on Twitter that: ‘Any large concentration and movement of loaded donkeys will be considered as al-Shabaab activity.’[/SIZE]
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...mic-group.html

    I mean ,I am not making this up

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    Only place I've heard of this is the independent.co.uk website and the comment page there was just people blaming Israel for all this.

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    Behold the birth of Somalia STRONG!!!11 crew!

    Independent has a bit of a weird relationship towards Israel, especially in Robert Fisk's articles. Always wondered what Israelis think of him and of Independent...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayub al Somali View Post
    Your military is just plain incompetent
    This is what was announced
    "the mother of all battles "
    http://mobile.nation.co.ke/News/Keny...s/-/index.html

    http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/201...art-al-shabaab
    Not only Zenawi {Ethiopia} and Museveni {Uganda} but everybody in our region know that your military is a joke . I would like you to show me the evidence supporting your claims as having defeated a band of rebels secessionist supported by the now defunct gov of Somalia , because I have a ton of links that shows the indiscriminate killing of civilians conducted by your people .
    in the 60's
    http://allafrica.com/stories/201105110126.html
    and in the 80's
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagalla_massacre
    Abdi,unlike you I don't do internet intifadas. I have relatives who served. The secessionists failed-if they hadn't the entire NEP would have been in the defunct Somalia,wouldn't it? The opinions of Zenawi and/or Museveni are of no importance. The so-called Wagalla massacre was actually a mass escape from army custody by your tribe,that failed,like everything else you attempt! I know what transpired-it was less than 400 dead,though you love to bleat of 4000 killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayub al Somali View Post
    Your military is just plain incompetent
    This is what was announced
    "the mother of all battles "
    http://mobile.nation.co.ke/News/Keny...s/-/index.html

    http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/201...art-al-shabaab
    Not only Zenawi {Ethiopia} and Museveni {Uganda} but everybody in our region know that your military is a joke . I would like you to show me the evidence supporting your claims as having defeated a band of rebels secessionist supported by the now defunct gov of Somalia , because I have a ton of links that shows the indiscriminate killing of civilians conducted by your people .
    in the 60's
    http://allafrica.com/stories/201105110126.html
    and in the 80's
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagalla_massacre
    Abdi,unlike you I don't do internet intifadas. I have relatives who served. The secessionists failed-if they hadn't the entire NEP would have been in the defunct Somalia,wouldn't it? The opinions of Zenawi and/or Museveni are of no importance. The so-called Wagalla massacre was actually a mass escape from army custody by your tribe,that failed,like everything else you attempt! I know what transpired-it was less than 400 dead,though you love to bleat of 4000 killed.
    Btw,I notice that peculiar Somali penchant-blaming everybody elses incompetence for your condition. If pathological denial of personal responsibilty were a sport,you guys would dominate. Here is a hiraan article that shows what I'm talking about. The writer blames IGAD/the AU/the UN/Ethiopians/Kenyans,indeed everyone but Oprah for the state of Somalia. Sometimes I think Somalis just need a huge mirror or professional mental health services.
    http://www.hiiraan.com/op2/2011/dec/...partition.aspx

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    lulz, this is the funniest **** all day

    Way better than various other STRONG crew fights!

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