And what is their mentality?Originally Posted by Surenas
Most are veterans of the Iran-Iraq war, the bloodiest war after the Korea war. They romanticize that war and some high ranking officials in Iran would even welcome a fight with Israel/US. Just like Clinton last week said.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...245767,00.html
I dont even know how to answer you.
The Iran and Iraq war was very bloody indeed, and even if they romanticize it, they die as every other human being. There is nothing bravery and romanticism can do against fire power, Thats all. And BTW, Clinton said what?
Well, it would be a good idea to read something about the Iran-Iraq war. Bravery and romanticism (martyrdom) eventually did stop the Iraqi's in that war. Not stating that the upcoming war would be exactly the same, but some high ranking officials can't wait to get Ahangaran (famous Iranian war singer) back on the TV again.
According to Clinton some within the Iranian regime would welcome an attack, for several reasons.
No, Bravery and romanticism didn't stop Iraq, it was a long war and at some point it stalled for both sides for many other more mundane reasons than those.
And Now Clinton didn't say anything of what you said at least in that link.
Yes, it did. You can read the many analyzes.
Well, even the headline says it.And Now Clinton didn't say anything of what you said at least in that link.
While some in Iran say that an attack would unify the country and grant it legitimacy, "there are those who say look, these sanctions are really biting, we’re not making the kind of economic progress we should be making, we don’t give up that much by saying we’re not going to do a nuclear weapon and having a verifiable regime to demonstrate that."
I am sorry, maybe you have a better English comprehension than me. I don't read the same as you have said. And about the war, whatever, if you think so, its cool with me. have a good night.
You are looking at the Strait of Hormuz. What he is refering to is the two Persian islands and how the shipping lane into the Persian Gulf is north of these islands which puts them into the territorial waters of Iran.No maps at sea.
There's charts like these though:
Regardless all these oil tanker ships are sailing in the Persian Gulf so makes no difference.
Hey thanks for clarifying that. For a second there I thought I was dealing with some noob who can't read a map.
So to further clarify, the strait isn't just the short corner to some of us but the entire restricted shipping lane, the western end of which is entirely in Iranian water.
Close the strait all they want ...Oil producers will love it secretly so .. send oil prices stratospheric
That's what I would do. Not overtly close it but just stop enough tankers looking for illicit shipment and quota breaking to effectively crimp the oil supply.
Start slow and build the rate of stoppage. The hardest one to stop will be that first one. It'll be a butt hair raising event for both sides.
The Iran-Iraq war was a conflict of the kind of WW1.
If Iranians are seeing it as romantic, they should remember the words of Khomeini when he was forced to stop the war. They should also remember what happened to Germany that continued to idealize war after WW1.
Well the fact of the matter is that the chart provided by HS lacks a lot of detail, so knowing or not knowing how to read it is irrelevent.Hey thanks for clarifying that. For a second there I thought I was dealing with some noob who can't read a map.
Once again I don't understand why ships can't chose to travel close to the Arabian Penninsula (UAE waters) and thus avoid entering Iranian territory.So to further clarify, the strait isn't just the short corner to some of us but the entire restricted shipping lane, the western end of which is entirely in Iranian water.
The people within the IRGC and other armed fractions of the government in Iran love martyrdom, they love dying for their religion and country. It will be very difficult to beat such people as they fight with zeal and passion
If Iran do that (which they won't - they're not that stupid), it would incentivise most governments in the world for war against them. Even China and Russia would back off. If Iran start to impede the world economy by slowing oil shipments, then they will be writing their own will. Nothing would unify the world against you quicker than this behaviour.
The oil producers who use the strait would not love it, since it's their exports that would be impeded. Additionally, the more developed oil exporters prefer price stability.
After Iran's threats, UAE have built a pipeline as an alternative.
http://news.kuwaittimes.net/2012/06/...hormuz-bypass/
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