Reply With QuoteOr 3) Iran doesn't test a device regardless of the covert operations.
Iran won't be the first country to achieve ambiguous nuclear capability without testing a nuclear device.
And one thing we should also remember is this thread is supposed to deal with the Military option and about Iran vs Israel and how it will play out so we are talking about when all other options are exhausted there is the only one left.
Or 3) Iran doesn't test a device regardless of the covert operations.
Iran won't be the first country to achieve ambiguous nuclear capability without testing a nuclear device.
also would it be possible that before any open attack is launched that Bushehr could be attacked with a virus to force the plan operators to take it out of operation mode and put it in shut down while they try to get it fixed, then once in shut down mode the site gets bombed.
Good luck flying low for 300-500Km, loaded with heavy weapons after the journey from Israel.Originally Posted by 501
Best tactic for the Israelis, boost Jericho-2 (a deep penetrator conventional variant of it) and Arrow-2 production rates by injecting a few Mrd's $. And next summer start an attack by 200 Jericho-2s and have 2000 Arrows ready for fire plus a massive number of Iron Domes against Hezbollah rockets and missiles.
Israeli airpower is not enough anymore, Israeli space power will be needed. So no false pride for those F-15's and F-16's and their symbol for Israeli superiority.
True ...
Still, any military option should be framed in the context of what many believe is an ongoing covert war. That is, the key actors, Israel and/or the US, are not sitting idle at the moment waiting for sanctions to shake out.
Israel jeopardizes US interests then it's game over for Israel. It's as simple as that. Sure, Americans are pro-Israel, I wonder if they will stay the same knowing 10 years of their blood and treasure goes to waste and now they have to pay $15 for a gallon of gas, because of Israel's paranoia. Iranians 2 atomic bombs vs how many western ones again? As far as I know, Israel doesn't have stealth bombers or stealth fighter jets. F-15 and F-16's are not stealth, so I believe Iranians can and will shoot down a good amount of them. At most Israel will destroy a limited amount of targets, become more isolated, and Iran will have now the ability to pull out of NPT. Then you got some Iranian atomic bombs 12 months later. Sounds pretty bad, maybe that's why it hasn't happened? Why wait for Iran to get stronger by the day? Why not take them out 10 years ago?
I forgot to mention that Israel doesn't have the firepower to sustain such an attack. In the Persian Gulf war, the coalition flew over 80,000 sorties amongst 2,000 aircraft, yet Iraq still had a lot of its infrastructure intact. How in the hell is Israel going to sustain such an attack on a country 4x the size of Iraq, farther away, and with such a rough mountainous terrain? Throw in Asymmetric warfare with Chinese & Russian weapons and you have a serious problem on your hand.
Re-read his earlier posts; you are talking apples and oranges.
With what the Israeli Af including Pilot numbers and Aircraft has at hand i think they would launch a tactical Nuke strikes at the Iranian airfields thus giving them instant control of the air for ,, because the airfields would be rendered useless .and you know there chances of a air strike by Iran would be remote [ i believe ]
and the attack would be based on the view of a pre emptive strike by Iran first . so Israel would simply do the same like they did in the 6 day campaign by taking the initative ..those who wait loose ..
Love the "use nukes" around here...
U know, nukes let of radiation after used, fallout goes everywhere for miles and miles and miles and even goes thousands...
And like i said earlier, u open the pandora's box and there is no way back cause all countries afected by such an attack even those in the area that have nukes may just not like to see their people die of radiation poisoning and retaliate against Israel and bummm u got a global conflit in no time!
Lets be realistic, such an operation given the technology available right now is too expensive and costly giving little return to be putt in motion, better to keep talking and see what happens, u know the arab spring is still ticking in Syria, who knows, may get to Iran and all of this will be a footnote on history in a few years?!
China is not going to get involved. 1) drilling rights in Iraq. 2)logistics..... Look at a map of China and Iran, no land routes to get there and a lot of water.
Also as someone mentioned, cutting off supply of oil also effects Iran. What could happen is a very limited response from the West and major social unrest in Iran.
I agree that China will net get involved.
However there is a land route from Iran through the Zahedan border into Pakistan and then over the Karakoram Highway into China.
Sorry if this classes as 'going off topic', but if Iran were to go before the UN General Assembly and admit that they were developing nuclear weapons, that they're formally withdrawing from the non-proliferation treaty and that they're willing to sit down with Israel (which admittedly sounds unlikely, as that would mean acknowledging Israel's existence) and sign a treaty of non first use and mutual verification (i.e. open skies, START etc), would that defuse the situation?
I feel alot of the concern regarding Iran's nuclear programme stems from their attempts to hide it. One can't help but suspect that by keeping their nukes secret, that they were attempting to gain a first strike weapon. Afterall, what good would a deterrent be if nobody else knew you had it?
Man that is just aweful. If someone ever said that about 9/11 id be off my rocker foaming at the mouth
What I meant, by no land route, it is where they shared a common border. I don't think any neighboring country will allow passage through their borders.
Hum
Tchernobyl and Fukushima were (more or less failed) containment operations, not bomb busted reactors... So the problem here is not bigger or more powerfull, it is rather a bombed nuclear infrastructure with military ordnance
Interresting thought......Well who's fault would it be? Their own. Too bad, so sad. Besides, if they then escalate things their problems would be FAR larger.
Contaminating millions of civilians is too bad, too sad ?
With that way of thinking, don't be astonished to have planes flying right in some of your towers (and not this is not trolling, if you play within the rules and show at least a little empathy you'll keep the higher moral ground, if not, you are not better than the evil you fight ...)
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