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    The Italians battled quite well in Africa. It was the leadership that was the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    If I was a Italian, would I be all for fighting for ll Duce?
    He made the trains run on time.

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    Out of curiosity were the Italian Americans quarrantined to the extent that the Japanese Americans were?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toddy1 View Post
    That's a very good point H, I mean its not like he had the charisma that Hitler commanded (during the early parts of the war anyway).
    Also Germany eventually occupied Italy. II Duce may have been one with Hitler, but I don't think most of the Italians were one with II Duce. Some posted earlier that in Germany there is a joke about the Italians. Being reluctant allies could foster a antagonistic opinion from the Germans. I am trying to remember this part of my WWII History.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toddy1 View Post
    That's a very good point H, I mean its not like he had the charisma that Hitler commanded (during the early parts of the war anyway).
    I agree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toddy1 View Post
    Out of curiosity were the Italian Americans quarrantined to the extent that the Japanese Americans were?
    No, not at all. In fact, it is said that the US deported Cosa Nostra bosses helped the Allies when operating in Operation Husky in Sicily. That and a fair amount of Italian Americans served in WW2 and had lots of family over there still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronnieraygun View Post
    No, not at all. In fact, it is said that the US deported Cosa Nostra bosses helped the Allies when operating in Operation Husky in Sicily. That and a fair amount of Italian Americans served in WW2 and had lots of family over there still.
    I thought that would have been the case I mean by WWII a lot of the Italian Americans were generations thick with American culture. I suppose the same would have happened to the Japanese Americans, if Peral Harbour not happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by Folgore42 View Post
    Btw i had an account before this one you scumbag.
    And posts like this is why you needed a new account

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    I think that reading the Memoirs of Rommel is a good source to begin understand the german defeat, althought contradictory in some issues and figures is a very good historical piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    I think that reading the Memoirs of Rommel is a good source to begin understand the german defeat, althought contradictory in some issues and figures is a very good historical piece.
    My understanding Berlin had a lot to do with impeding the military advancements of Rommel. Can not fight with out the tools and supplies to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toddy1 View Post
    I thought that would have been the case I mean by WWII a lot of the Italian Americans were generations thick with American culture. I suppose the same would have happened to the Japanese Americans, if Peral Harbour not happened
    One part is being Japanese is very apparent. One of the reasons that I heard was, it was also set up to protect Japanese Americans from Americans. There seems to be some validity in the racism complaint. At the time, it may have been a necessary mistake sort of thing. It is a dark spot on the US history.

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    Probably has more to do with the fact that Rommel was not a "badged" member of the Nazi party - there are also rumours that he was unwell at crucial times in both the North African campaign and also around D Day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    One of the reasons that I heard was, it was also set up to protect Japanese Americans from Americans.
    This I can fully understand, I am sure the anti Japanese sentiment was running at fever pitch after Pearl Harbour

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    I think that reading the Memoirs of Rommel is a good source to begin understand the german defeat, althought contradictory in some issues and figures is a very good historical piece.
    True.. but a killer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    One part is being Japanese is very apparent. One of the reasons that I heard was, it was also set up to protect Japanese Americans from Americans. There seems to be some validity in the racism complaint. At the time, it may have been a necessary mistake sort of thing. It is a dark spot on the US history.
    Wrote a paper on the internment a few years back...it was all about racist politicians on the West Coast and the racist commander of Western Defense Command in General John L. DeWitt. Army intel conducted a study prior to Peark Harbor what kind of threat the Japanese citizens of America posed if Japan attacked, report was on Marshall's desk. They posed no threat.

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