Reply With QuoteThat you're lying to those fine ladies about your age.Originally Posted by muttbutt
I'm getting a cougar dating service..."looking for younger men"..It's "Play The Mummy online" for me.
WTF is that implying towards me?!?1
That you're lying to those fine ladies about your age.
Me too. I'm done with this thread as it is going nowhere. Let the Dutch make their own laws, whether they pass or not in parlement and give them a break. Ordie knows sh!t about Europe anyway.
They shouldn't be left alone. Otherwise we get cases where Pakistani Imams live solely in their Islamic temples and have their relatives go outside and get supplies for them, ensuring that they don't need to learn English, as it has occured in Britain in a BBC documentary investigating Islamic fundamentalism in Britain that I watched 2 years ago.
Language classes for immigrants should be mandatory and enforced across all of the Western world, otherwise situations like this will occur and keep occuring and prevent integration of immigrants into the western world.
Last edited by MrBobUrsaPigger; 02-01-2012 at 10:57 PM. Reason: Clarification of argument.
Which of the 23 official and working languages of the "Eurosphere"?
Does this means Polish speakers (Official EU Language) are exempted from forcibly learning Irish (Official EU Language) while working in Belfast?
According to your Euro authoritarianism, the Basque (Europe's oldest communities) are not integrated in the Eurosphere becaus ethey don't speak Maltese (An official EU Language).otherwise situations like this will occur and keep occuring and prevent integration.
Ok, I concede, Ordie really is being a troll, since hes calling me of all people a supporter of authoritarianism for having reasonable expectations of immigrants. I thought you guys were calling him a troll for having a different opinion, but now I see that you were right, I was wrong and I apologise.
Last edited by MrBobUrsaPigger; 02-02-2012 at 02:20 AM.
Immigrants do best if you give them the freedom to fail.
You cannot forcibly acculturate them.
They will adapt and learn the customs, language and norms by themselves as a means of survival and upward mobility.
So what, you'd prefer if a new immigrant just let their family members translate for them whenever they try to interact with the people of the country that they have immigrated to, instead of getting them to learn the official language of the country that they have emigrated to?
How did the British immigrants learn Maori when they arrived in Aotearoa?
Must. Not. Reply..................Damnn.
I'm afraid you're dead serious on this, are you not?
Jesus.
Pardon me, I meant "God". That's more neutal because everybody can insert what they see fit.
Ordie, Polish is a working language of the European Union. That doesn't make it an official language of Ireland. And yes, someone immigrating to Ireland should be forced to learn Irish if he wished to stay. Now you say we must not expect that from immigrants and "grant them the right to fail". And who will pay for these immigration duds' living?
You made it clear that allowing failure seems like a good option to you, I cannot even hope to fathom why. It's but the recipe to grow a large crime ridden lower class sucking in billions in welfare money and drifting off from the rest of the country with every passing year.
For God's sake Ordie even Mexican immigrants go back to their native country in ever growing numbers because your freedom to fail led them, in fact, to failure.Cut to you and your claims that sooner or later immigrants would do their best to integrate themselves.
They not always do, Ordie. Sometimes they live in another country for decades and still can't say a word in the language of the place they themselves decided to move to (alas I will never understand this behaviour).
They refuse to take part in public life and be a contributive member of the society. They're able to do so since our politicians followed your moronic interpretaton of liberalism and never dared to demand a thing from immigrants.
One could say they were allowed to fail and even at our expenses.
However, them immigrants overcame this and created parallel societies where learning the customs and norms of the host country was not necessary anymore and where you would not have to speak the language.
They did not try to adapt but built themselves a subsidiary of their country of origin.
This is where the aforesaid difference between the American and the Euro view on things kicks in. You guys think a Chinatown neighbourhood is a sign of successful integration. We beg to differ and see it as complete and utter failure. We do so for our societies are not based upon the deletion of a native culture and subsequent replacement with random imported parts. Europe is not a melting pot. You can only forge something new in a melting pot if it was empty before. If it is full already though, hot steel will spill out and burn you.
There is no credible reason why this state should still be tolerated and why nations should not force immigrants to abide by the rules if they would not.
So from now on please save yourself this crap on how inhumane or authoritarian it would be to demand integration efforts from immigrants instead of nicely asking for them and accepting refusal.
That's not what he suggested. Troll better next time.
Europe should be like the United States and not have an official language.
By first using Tahitian intermediaries, as Te Reo Maori and several Polynesian languages have several linguistic and grammatical features in common. Then first few traders and convicts began to live with Maori and through their sustained and continous interaction they began to learn each others languages. They had to in order to survive in New Zealand, and early British settlers also learned the language in order to maintain amicable relations with Maori in order to be able to create viable settlements, especially in the city where I live in Auckland. Without learning Maori and forging good relations with Auckland Iwi (tribes), the foundations that helped the city become the largest in New Zealand would never have been laid.
However, as British New Zealand developed into a colony, it fell out of use as British settlers far outnumbered Maori, and Te Reo Maori as a language began to die off due to the perception among Maori that English was more of an important language to learn than Maori as it would allow Maori a chance to get a British education so they could have a higher chance of getting a job.
This changed from the 1970's, as there's been a Maori cultural renaissance, and there are active and concerted efforts to keep Te Reo Maori alive by the New Zealand government and Maori nationalist groups such as the Maori party and the Mana party. So as you can see, we European New Zealanders or Pakeha are very accommodating around Te Reo Maori and of other race's languages and culture's, a lot more so than the Australians were and to a degree still are.
But that is besides the point anyway, because in our modern times, governments in the western world can set up english classes in order to allow immigrants to learn english when they arrive here. If immigrants were forced to participate into these classes, then this would help with tensions between the western world and immigrants that come into the western world.
First language : English
Second : French
Closely followed by Arabic now.
Isn't German spoken in Germany, Swtizerland, Austria, Lichtenstien, and Belgium?First language : English
Second : French
Closely followed by Arabic now.
Nah, the USA should be like Europe, use translators to allow everybody to communicate in their language of choice and still be understood in both congress and the senate...(and every state should become an independent country, with veto rights on whatever comes out of Washington).
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