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    Quote Originally Posted by The Kaiser Chief View Post
    Maybe you should take an appartment in London/Tower Hamlets, Paris/St.Denis, Berlin/Neukölln or Oost Amsterdam and then you will certainly reconsider your opinion. Here is a flyer that used to be distributed in the Tower Hamlets. No tell me please where the fascists are? Those who are fed by the majority and yet despise the very sames people who go to work for them while those bearded people stay at home and watch Bin-Laden TV
    [img]http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=h...1t:429,r:4,s:0[/img]

    Or here a little protest against Mr Wilders

    [img]http://shariafreeusa.com/wp-content/...andsSharia.jpg[/img]

    After a three weeks stay you would be the first to say that the burqa ban does not go far enough. It is not about suppressing a defenceless minority, but about containing an ideology that got the whole world screwed up
    So, assholes are giving out flyers. That is the same as a government passing laws forbidding people to wear certain articles of clothing. Makes sense. It's all the same. I mean, the assholes have the same power as a government to make you do the things they want you to do. Same institutions, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mujo2000 View Post
    What is reasonable? I can go on forever with this. If they put the word "reasonable" in the law, then nobody has to heed the law. Everybody is different on reasonable.
    Wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle is mandatory, it comes under 'protective clothing' when your activity necessitating this protective clothing ends so does your reason for wearing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeWolf View Post
    They did not put the word reasonable in the law. I said to you think reasonably about it. If it is cold wear winter clothing, but not something which completely covers your face including your eyes. And don't walk into a bank wearing just that.
    I understand what you are saying. I also work in a bank. If somebody walked in, in burqa or with a skimask, I'd be hitting the floor, and the guard would start shooting. No doubt. In public though, I don't know. This law, and the French genocide law just don't make sense to me. Forbiding people to say certain things, or wear certain things. If a business wants to make people dress in a way when they enter their property (dress code), I can see that. To forbid people to walk around the city with a burqa or cover up when it's really cold. I guess different outlooks on issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tercio67 View Post
    Wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle is mandatory, it comes under 'protective clothing' when your activity necessitating this protective clothing ends so does your reason for wearing it.
    Yeah, exactly what I meant with "thinking reasonably about it". Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mujo2000 View Post
    This law, and the French genocide law just don't make sense to me. Forbiding people to say certain things, or wear certain things.
    Can you walk around ***** where you are from? How is it any different from this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mujo2000 View Post
    or cover up when it's really cold. I guess different outlooks on issues.
    In the Netherlands it may get -15 at the very very worst. Usually it is barely freezing. You don't need to wear an astronaut-like outfit for that. If you wear a hat and a scarf this is no biggie. Just don't walk around with something which completely covers your face including your eyes.

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    I lived in Holland for 10 years. I learned the language, the mannerisms, the culture etc. In other words I integrated properly. All of them should too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mujo2000 View Post
    So, assholes are giving out flyers. That is the same as a government passing laws forbidding people to wear certain articles of clothing. Makes sense. It's all the same. I mean, the assholes have the same power as a government to make you do the things they want you to do. Same institutions, etc.

    Well, it´s not about some nutjobs handing out flyers, but more about the fact that these very same people terrorize their neighbourhood. Women without veils are assaulted on a regular basis, men who are not clearly identified as muslims by wearing a beard or some traditional garment get robbed, beaten up or stabbed daily. Peoples of other faiths are leaving those areas. These laws are a symbolic reaction to this situation, not more not less. In France we had an organization of young muslim women who complained about being oppressed by their neighbours and communities to conform to islamic values and dress.The organization is called Ni Putes Ni Soumises, which means "not whores, not slaves".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximmmm View Post
    I lived in Holland for 10 years. I learned the language, the mannerisms, the culture etc. In other words I integrated properly. All of them should too.

    Funny...

    They are born in Holland, learned the language, learned the manerisms, play for their national team, yet they are still immigrants. Interesting, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mujo2000 View Post
    Funny...

    They are born in Holland, learned the language, learned the manerisms, play for their national team, yet they are still immigrants. Interesting, isn't it?
    Once they hold a Dutch passport they are citizens, otherwise they are residents at most. Either way the law applies to all equally under equal circomstances who reside, or stay, here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mujo2000 View Post
    Funny...

    They are born in Holland, learned the language, learned the manerisms, play for their national team, yet they are still immigrants. Interesting, isn't it?
    And 'Holland' is the only country in the world where this happens right? Nice trolling man.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mujo2000 View Post
    What is reasonable? I can go on forever with this. If they put the word "reasonable" in the law, then nobody has to heed the law. Everybody is different on reasonable.
    If your clothes are on fire and you take them off, do you get arrested for public nudity? Oh noes must be the evil Iranian-Dutch fascists!

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    This is not a reasonable law because it infringes a person's right to wear or not to wear in public.
    Next thing they'll target people wearing Halloween masks for violating the law.

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    So its legal not to wear where you are from ordie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordie View Post
    This is not a reasonable law because it infringes a person's right to wear or not to wear in public.
    Next thing they'll target people wearing Halloween masks for violating the law.
    It says in the law that face covering items such as masks for carnival and sint nicholas etc. are allowed.

    But seriously we Iranian fascists will soon ban people from having faces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordie View Post
    This is not a reasonable law because it infringes a person's right to wear or not to wear in public.
    Next thing they'll target people wearing Halloween masks for violating the law.
    Actually the law makes a provision for costumes, and a 'mask' to go with said costume, during carnival etc. So if you realy wanted to you could put on a burqa if you wished even.

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