Reply With QuoteNo offense intended. It just seems that "broken home" comes up a lot when people try to explain high crime.Originally Posted by Royal
edit: On second thought I think I'm going to STFU for a while and reevaluate.
Broken homes don't churn our criminals potential or otherwise. As someone who comes from a 'broken home' I take that as a personal insult.
No offense intended. It just seems that "broken home" comes up a lot when people try to explain high crime.
edit: On second thought I think I'm going to STFU for a while and reevaluate.
You got that Right, money will get you out, Rich get a slap on the Hand in US...
Society gets to deal with broken individuals wither they want to or not. There is no choice. And honestly, in many of these offenders there is an huge dad and mom issue. As in dad and mom have been in jail or in and out of jail for the offenders entire life.
I can tell from your posts Puffs that you are not looking at this from a true conservative/ libertarian perspective. Once you understand that you will have to deal with that person no matter what happens you will realize that it's cheaper to give someone an opportunity and education than it is to incarcerate them. At least from a tax payer prospective. The average cost to house someone in jail for a year is $23,876 per inmate. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarce..._United_States) Even if you were to pay for someone's full education from the time of kindergarten to college, it would still be cheaper than handing someone a 20 year sentence. (http://www.csgnetwork.com/educostcalc.html)
While I agree some people are just bad people and deserve to be kept separate from society, it's not true for most of the criminal population. Yes, most criminals are scum bags. But they didn't get that way over night. And until we start executing criminals on the spot ala Judge Dredd, then the prison issue will just keep growing.
Then its a question of getting pregnant before the Dad goes to prison or gets killed. Then the cycle repeats.
Why don't you guys quit talking about "broken homes" or some such bullshit like it's the root cause of more people in prison? It's partly bullshit because as of 2007, the divorce rate was the lowest it had been in the US since 1970 (the same year mentioned in the Economist article.) So obviously, if a "broken home" means no mommy and daddy as a foundation of a family unit, you can throw that out the window. It's more about mandatory minimums, three strikes and truth-in-sentencing. I'm not saying a rough upbringing with no good role models does not send people to prison if they are slow learners, but you guys who getting off on saying it over and over again are looking at it like scientific determinism. That's not very democratic or egalitarian of you, and some of you guys are supposed to be real patriots and shit. Give it a rest already.
Moreover, people make decisions, and don't like to take responsibility for it. That is what it boils down to. So what if your dad didn't buy you new xbox games, or your parents were ****s, does it give you the right to rob/murder/pillage because you feel hard done by? Answer is no.
Chances are the same hard done by people (to use the excuse) would feel violated if someone robbed/pillaged them, which clearly shows they know right from wrong. Yes there are cases where people were tortured as kids, or worse, but the answer if not a free pass at breaking the law, which would simply crush society as we know it.
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Divorce rates are dropping, but out of wedlock births now account for something like 50% of all births in the USA.
Other than that, what T3ngu said.
Again, there is no proof that being born "out of wedlock" means you are going to be dealt a ****ty hand and end up in prison. Most births would have been "out of wedlock" in the past but it was expected that if you knocked the woman up, you got married. Simple as that. Successful career women have kids first sometimes without considering a life partner. Do you think that kid is really going to want for anything and end up in prison? People are not in a hurry to get married even though they will eventually when they have kids as couples. I know many who have done this. They get married eventually and the kids end up just fine. Again, there is no real proof that any of you can provide that means "out of wedlock" or any other "non-standard" arrangement means society will have more prisoners 20 years later. Unless, of course, you are all trying to push someone else's agenda in this discussion.
Our POTUS came from a broken home.
Wait, broken home actually just means one grew up with one parent?
As someone who is a LEO in Cali, I do not know the answer.
Except for a very miniscule amount, noone goes to prison on their first offense. Dopers have probation, which takes them out of jail and gives them an oppurtunity to "turn" their life around. Surprisingly, they do not.
MJ users do not even get jail time unless they do not take care of their court mandated whatever.
Even the thieves and whatevers tend to get probation or very light sentences first go around.
Vast majority of prisoners are repeat offenders. I'll be honest, I do not want them living next door to me when they get out, that is why they go back to the hood and continue what they know.
Culture... please it is not the .gov that is keeping people in their little townships, its their own culture, plenty of opportunities to get out aswell. Although our schools are not the best, they still can produce great citizens from all cultures. Perfect example is the asian vs "insert here" cultures. Asians tend to better themselves and become contributors quicker, even new arrivals.
Parents, both poor and rich are the reasons. Simple. Poor kids can do well and rich kids can be lil bastards.
Plenty of programs by the .gov for the baddies to better themselves...THEY have to want it, then do it.
It's not sending people in prison that's important or the number of prisoners. As long as there are laws people will break them, for various reasons (the number one being the feeling that they won't get caught).
The only figure that matters is the recidivism rate. What happens to them once they got caught breaking the law, send to jail, did their time and got freed.
If they repeat the offense you have a problem, because except a handful of pathological case if the system was efficient they should not be breaking the law again.
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