Iran launches observation satellite

[Camera]

It is important and valuable to observe Iran's space industry growth trend. There is no doubt this, it's a huge mistake to think that the only scientific relevance of Iran's space program is only its ICBM potential.

Contrary to the ballistic relevance, the scientific relevance remains unclear. I doubt these few tens kgs loads would contribute to enrich Science. It's your right to believe the opposite. Up to now, there's no evidence it is the case.

[Ambassador]

Contrary to the ballistic relevance, the scientific relevance remains unclear. I doubt these few tens kgs loads would contribute to enrich Science. It's your right to believe the opposite. Up to now, there's no evidence it is the case.

Iran will be launching hundred kg payload to high earth orbit long before it can extend its nuclear missile deterrence across the Mediterranean to pose a threat to western Europe and the US, Camera. Consider the envelop of each feat's range requirement. ICBM capability will have to come second, and even that only by assuming that Iran is politically committed to build one.

You can't be serious that Iran's space program with growing indigenous sat launch capability has no scientific value... you'll be pelted with derision if you were an employee in Futron or HDSL or in any other credible institute handling space industry analysis. Thank god for you that you are not.

[Camera]

Iran will be launching hundred kg payload to high earth orbit long before it can extend its nuclear missile deterrence across the Mediterranean to pose a threat to western Europe and the US, Camera. Consider the envelop of each feat's range requirement. ICBM capability will have to come second, and even that only by assuming that Iran is politically committed to build one.

I ignore on what you base your assumption.
If ICBM capacities are delayed, it has more to do with the destruction of the test site for solid fuel missile last November.

You can't be serious that Iran's space program with growing indigenous sat launch capability has no scientific value... you'll be pelted with derision if you were an employee in Futron or HDSL or in any other credible institute handling space industry analysis. Thank god for you that you are not.

If any, these small loads could only be of a very little scientific value. Now, go back and read your post #2 to see how ridiculous it was.

[Ambassador]

I ignore on what you base your assumption.
If ICBM capacities are delayed, it has more to do with the destruction of the test site for solid fuel missile last November.



If any, these small loads could only be of a very little scientific value. Now, go back and read your post #2 to see how ridiculous it was.

Scientifically sat launch capability of Safir and its clustered Simorgh is more meaningful than ICBM because that capability will be achieved first and have more impact on the scientific community. But politically ICBM is more important.

[Mr.jo]

You won't find such reports even in the Iranian English sites, because these launches have no scientific value.

No Scientific Value! LOL!
This is the 3rd successful Lunch Iran has had. At 50kg (110lb) the Navid Satellite is almost 2 times heavier than the Omid (27kg) which was the 1st sat Iran sent into space & over 3X heavier than the Rassad-1 (15kg) so it's by far the heaviest satellite Iran has achieved to send into space so clearly this new version of the Safir SLV is more powerful than the ones that came before it & like it or not that has scientific value for Iran
Also this satellites was designed & built by Students at Sharif University of Technology & that's a Major achievement for that University
Navid satellite is probably the most advanced satellites that has gone into space using the Safir SLV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjAnySstxBc

[harryc]

Space exploration is a great project for many reasons:
1) You get to join the First World - don't underestimate the power of perception for the locals and the people who want to be re-elected by them.
2) If it can put a satellite in orbit, it can drop one anywhere in the world.
3) Once you can put stuff in orbit you can start on the "real" science.

Look at the Soviet space program, what it gained, and where it (unexpectedly) wound up.

[StateMachine]

The only thing obvious by such launch is that Iran has ICBM capacities using liquid fuel.
Your prevention that this launch has scientific value wasn't backed by any report.

Actually I agree that Iran's payload launches are not very meaningful scientifically. What I am interested in is your thought process of criticizing a program as a cover for ICBMs because it is primitive. And that the main reason it is primitive is because of efforts by the U.S.gov and your country. Very effective efforts by the way. Sort of like shooting a greyhound and then claiming it can't be a race dog because it limps.

[Camera]

Actually I agree that Iran's payload launches are not very meaningful scientifically. What I am interested in is your thought process of criticizing a program as a cover for ICBMs because it is primitive. And that the main reason it is primitive is because of efforts by the U.S.gov and your country. Very effective efforts by the way. Sort of like shooting a greyhound and then claiming it can't be a race dog because it limps.

No.

1- I didn't criticize the program for being primitive, I just answered Ambassador who, since his post #2, pretended this launch was of a highly valuable for the science.

2- Supply of ballistic technologies to Iran are under sanctions decided by the UNSC and not by France or Israel.

3- Don't expect me to be happy with Iran's advances in this field, because Iran's missiles and roquets industries supply the terror groups Iran sponsors.

[Ambassador]

I don't pretend, I'm bringing information from reputable space industrial analysts that Iran's advancement in space industry is highly valuable phenomenon to observe. The sat launch capability is more valuable to the space science community than ballistic missile technology which mostly bother politics. World space launch market is more heavily affected by Iran's entry as another emerging space-launching power than its ballistic missile application. You can ask every single space industrial analysis institute out there and they'll all agree that Iran is a space power that deserves close scientific observation.

You are completely wrong that Iran's development of sat launch capability has no scientific value. What's important about the development is not the industry's present capability demonstrated by Safir, but rather its implication for Iran's future sat-launching capabilities. Successful launches of Safir-2 will contribute to the development of Iran's next Simorgh program. The obvious connection between Safir-2 and Simorgh has a clear scientific meaning to professional observers of Iran's space industry.

[Moledet1]

No Scientific Value! LOL!
This is the 3rd successful Lunch Iran has had. At 50kg (110lb) the Navid Satellite is almost 2 times heavier than the Omid (27kg) which was the 1st sat Iran sent into space & over 3X heavier than the Rassad-1 (15kg) so it's by far the heaviest satellite Iran has achieved to send into space so clearly this new version of the Safir SLV is more powerful than the ones that came before it & like it or not that has scientific value for Iran
Also this satellites was designed & built by Students at Sharif University of Technology & that's a Major achievement for that University
Navid satellite is probably the most advanced satellites that has gone into space using the Safir SLV

If you want something revolutionary. Technion students are working on a satellite that will be launched in pieces into space, these pieces will form a cluster that will connect together to create a complete satellite. Meaning, no need for a large payload, just multiple launches and you can have a several tons satellite in space and if something is broken by space debris you only replace this component and not the entire satellite. They were awarded 2.16$ million by ERC advanced research grants (most prestigious European research award).
This is what Camera means by scientific value.

[Camera]

If you want something revolutionary. Technion students are working on a satellite that will be launched in pieces into space, these pieces will form a cluster that will connect together to create a complete satellite. Meaning, no need for a large payload, just multiple launches and you can have a several tons satellite in space and if something is broken by space debris you only replace this component and not the entire satellite. They were awarded 2.16$ million by ERC advanced research grants (most prestigious European research award).
This is what Camera means by scientific value.

Right.
Putting simply a payload in orbit was done hundreds if not thousands of times since the launch of Spoutnik.

[Ambassador]

If you want something revolutionary. Technion students are working on a satellite that will be launched in pieces into space, these pieces will form a cluster that will connect together to create a complete satellite. Meaning, no need for a large payload, just multiple launches and you can have a several tons satellite in space and if something is broken by space debris you only replace this component and not the entire satellite. They were awarded 2.16$ million by ERC advanced research grants (most prestigious European research award).
This is what Camera means by scientific value.

You don't get it man, there's scientific value to producing new technology for a new market and also to producing competition for existing technology and its existing market. Majority of the world's scientific activities conducted by each nation is playing catch-up to existing technological powers of the field rather than innovating new technology. Germany has car A, and China introduces car B into the market for competition, even though it is visibly less advanced and doesn't introduce any new technology over its German counterpart (which Germans likely already invented on their own years or even decades ago). That doesn't mean that China's entry into that market segment bears no scientific value. Scientific value is present in a wide range of activities that involve more than just making new technology.

[501]

If Israel would quit blowing their sites up, then Iran would be able to launch scientifically significant satellites much quicker. It is quite strange for someone to criticize the lack of any scientific value of program that his and other countries are working tirelessly to sabotage.

First of all, if you say that two explosions at IRGC missile bases were caused by Israel, then Iranians disagree with you.

Secondly, if you say that IRGC missile bases are directly connected to Iran's space program, then you prove that this program has military intentions, again contrary to Iranian claims.

[welshmann]

Space exploration is a great project for many reasons:
1) You get to join the First World - don't underestimate the power of perception for the locals and the people who want to be re-elected by them.
2) If it can put a satellite in orbit, it can drop one anywhere in the world.
3) Once you can put stuff in orbit you can start on the "real" science.

Look at the Soviet space program, what it gained, and where it (unexpectedly) wound up.

is it Space exploration??to me thats "going places where no man has been before",excuse the pun,no offence theres private companys putting things into space,its hardley new,maybe for iran,but hardley news worthy. these events are hardley Space exploration.

[501]

You don't get it man, there's scientific value to producing new technology for a new market

Modified Scud which iranian use is hardly a new technology.