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    Quote Originally Posted by sepheronx View Post
    India is not a space leader or even close to one. Stop with this BS.

    That said, is there any more links regarding about the satellite itself? That picture by RPG could very well be BS. Unless Iran is simply using the satellite as a means to launch something into space (test rocket). But if it is really to put an observational sat into space, there is no way they would create something along the lines of a cheap camera. No one is that dumb.
    i have never mentioned that india is a space leader. Iran's space ambitions at present seems to be more of a show off than science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abhishek-nayak View Post
    i have never mentioned that india is a space leader. Iran's space ambitions at present seems to be more of a show off than science.
    Then you are over exempliftying India's space agency, which has nothing to do with this thread. So yeah.

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    You can track the Iranian sattelite ''Navid'' here
    http://www.n2yo.com/?s=38075

    [SIZE=2]NORAD ID: 38075 [/SIZE]

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    Video shows the clean room, control station and communication stations. The israeli photos claiming usage of sony point and shoot is bull****.

    That photo is possibly of another student project somewhere else. The real photos of electronics etc has been already posted by another user.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Armed with RPG View Post











    I don't see how that crappy Sony camera and the broken lens installation by Israeli forums fits this whole multi-million project.

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    There's no need to use a Sony camera for serious surveillance when Iran already had something much better years ago. If this Sony camera story is true then it must most likely have been as a proof of concept device rather than for genuine surveillance use (proof of the concept that mini-sats with optics aboard can be successfully launched by Iran independently, before undertaking more serious opsat launch projects). Iran already launched advanced optical satellites with commercial application for surveying natural disasters, urban and agricultural development, and others in cooperation with other countries.

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    First Iranian satellite launched

    Mr Mahmoudzadeh said the $15m research satellite would contain a telecommunications system and cameras that would be used for monitoring Iran's agriculture and natural resources.

    It could also be deployed after disasters such as earthquakes.

    He stressed, however, that the satellite represents only the first step in Iran's space programme.

    "Considering that the satellite weights 170kg and is carrying a camera, it is an initial model as far as technical know-how and experience are concerned."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4381436.stm
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    He said Iran, China and Thailand had worked together on the satellite, which was equipped with cameras and was aimed at boosting cooperation in coping with natural disasters such as earthquakes.

    In Bangkok, Information and Communications Technology Minister Mun Patanotai said Thailand cooperated with China, Iran, Pakistan, Mongolia, Bangladesh and South Korea to develop a small multi-mission satellite (SMMS) for non-military purposes.

    http://thaimilitary.wordpress.com/20...ets-thai-help/
    The project was to be run by The Scientific and Industrial Research organization of Iran and its Center for Telecommunications Research. This is one of several communication satellite projects being developed by Iran. Besides the communication satellites two mini-satellites are being developed. The (Small multi-mission Satellite) SMMS is a joint venture payload between China, Iran, South Korea, Mongolia, Pakistan, Thailand and Bangladesh under the Asian-Pacific organization. This SMMS imaging spacecraft payload project is primarily managed by China and Iran. (9) It was to be launched on a Long March-4 in 2000 and 2001 but has subsequently been delayed to 2004 or 2005 as a part of the China's weather satellite program. The launch will place the SMMS spacecraft into a 650-kilometer Sun-synchronous polar orbit. The 470 kilograms satellite has increased it mass from its original 380 kilograms and is based on the CAST-968B platform developed by China's space industry of the PRC Academy of Space Technology. (9) It will carry a 100kg. multi-spectral CCD imaging camera. The camera is capable of wide field 20 meters resolution imaging. (1) (9)

    http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/missile/iris.htm
    Iran's satellite technology has proven scientific usefulness for both Iran itself and for many nations around the world who seek to cooperate with each other for their own space capabilities beyond the influence of traditional space powers like the US and Europe (which for Iran is a must, and also for many other countries). Iran's joint-contribution in satellite development already benefits the satellite programs of many emerging and traditional space powers such as China, Thailand, and South Korea. Iran's satellite ambition is genuine and these Safir launches, which will pave the way for the successful development of the more powerful Simorgh SLV, will eventual give Iran the indigenous SLV capability to launch increasingly advanced Iranian and jointly developed satellites through largely independent effort. Iran previously relied on Russia and China to launch its satellites, but in a few years Iran may be able to facilitate such launches on its own. Satellites the size of Sina-1, for example, appear to be in the viable weight range to be launchable by the Simorgh SLV. This will help Iran reduce the non-recycled cost of satellite launches and help advance its space program further more efficiently. Iran could even launch satellites jointly developed with other nations for them if its SLV capability matures faster than theirs.

    I don't know about the delirious people here but the more knowledgeable and professional space engineers in China, Thailand, Pakistan, Korea, etc will congratulate Iran for its successful satellite launch effort and for proving the concept that young space powers even like Iran can gain the independent know-how and capability to launch one's own or others' satellites, be it self- or joint-developed. Safir and Navit are only the spark of Iran's young space industry and the potential for Iran's space industry to advance into proper commercial usefulness is vast. There will be many countries and companies who'll continue to engage Iran to develop and produce satellites together, and maybe later, even SLVs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    The real photos of electronics etc has been already posted by another user.
    If these photos of electronics are real, it's even worth than Sony camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambassador
    There's no need to use a Sony camera for serious surveillance when Iran already had something much better years ago. If this Sony camera story is true then it must most likely have been as a proof of concept device rather than for genuine surveillance use (proof of the concept that mini-sats with optics aboard can be successfully launched by Iran independently, before undertaking more serious opsat launch projects). Iran already launched advanced optical satellites with commercial application for surveying natural disasters, urban and agricultural development, and others in cooperation with other countries.
    Proof of concept in a student project perhaps. IUST (the university which built this satellite) has postgraduate (PhD and Masters) courses on satellite design. The students are obviously supposed to build examples for their assignments. If the photo is true, then it might be a photo from the laboratory of the students of that course (where 10s of lab assignments are being built and tested).

    This guy here (incidentally the higher education minister of Iran) teaches satellite structure design and analaysis and has published many papers in that field:

    http://www.iust.ac.ir/find-16.1458.873.en.html

    So if he has published papers in both ISI journals and cited conferences, how one can claim Iran has not contributed to the science in this field? Every single research paper (spacially those published in peer reviewed journals) contains interesting and new things.

    This other guy teached principles of satellite design in the same university:

    http://www.iust.ac.ir/find.php?item=35.11359.21646.en

    This other guy teaches "introduction to satellite design":

    http://www.iust.ac.ir/printme.php?item=35.8890.13109.fa

    There are tens of faculty members and tens of PhD students working and publishing research papers in international journals and conferences. Now the guy who insists these activities do not have any contribution to science is an ignorant person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squidO View Post
    If these photos of electronics are real, it's even worth than Sony camera.
    Those are exactly the type of electronics that are used in the majority of satellites being produced and used today.

    Cutting-edge electronic hardware for equipment like satcom, optics, and avionics isn't always necessary when older hardware can already process the computing tasks fine. USAF's own most modernized F-16 and F-15 are still flying with 486 processors that are over two decades old.

    Quote Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    Proof of concept in a student project perhaps. IUST (the university which built this satellite) has postgraduate (PhD and Masters) courses on satellite design. The students are obviously supposed to build examples for their assignments. If the photo is true, then it might be a photo from the laboratory of the students of that course (where 10s of lab assignments are being built and tested).
    Such projects are indeed not uncommon in the world's many universities and science academic institutes. I just think Navit isn't intended to fully demonstrate Iran's full satellite capability - in fact it's very far from that. Navit seems most like a placeholder object for proving the practical viability of using Safir for launching 50kg class optical satellites.

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    The camera posted by "RPG man" could be the right one as the resolution of the satellite is of 400 meters. More about it: http://www.americaspace.org/?p=13214

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    The camera post by "RPG man" seems the right one as the resolution of the satellite is of 400 meters. More about it: http://www.americaspace.org/?p=13214
    And how you or RPG man are credible? Because of an anonymous photo which came from who knows?

    Or perhaps you are credible because you ignore Iranian publications in this field and call them "not a contribution to science"?

    I guess you are disappointed that Iran did not come to France for its satellites and satellite launches. I guess they tried before in Framatom case and with their 30% share in Uranium enrichment facilities in France and it did not work for them.

    The article you provided is full of obvious errors and problems. The satellite is built in Iran university of Sc. and Tech and not Sharif University. North korea (which never had a successful space launch) helps Iran to launch satellite with an even more advanced launcher than Iran's existing? So why N.K failed every time to launch their own? The article has more and more rubish and wrong information.

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    The Asia-Pacific SMMS project, with advanced optics and SAR capabilities, spearheaded by China and Iran:

    http://www.apsco.int/SMMS_Envi.aspx

    Iranian cooperation will be very useful in building this satellite together to help environmental monitoring and disaster management in Asian and South American countries. I wish the member countries of SMMS the best of luck towards the project's successful conclusion which will no doubt greatly benefit the lives of people living in often disaster-struck areas and sometimes not so friendly environments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    And how you or RPG man are credible? Because of an anonymous photo which came from who knows?
    I did not post the photo of the electro-optics of the sat so I don't if it is reliable or not. But with 400 meters resolution don't expect something better in this sat.

    Or perhaps you are credible because you ignore Iranian publications in this field and call them "not a contribution to science"?
    Give us a reliable link so we won't remain ignorant.

    I guess you are disappointed that Iran did not come to France for its satellites and satellite launches. I guess they tried before in Framatom case and with their 30% share in Uranium enrichment facilities in France and it did not work for them.
    I guess you guess too much... Iran's participation in Framatome was prior of it becoming a terror sponsor state.
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    It's clear that Iran's contribution to space science and to its successful commercialization is useful and valuable if you are only willing to cast away your prejudiced anti-Iranian views for a moment and bother to look at the vibrant developments in space industry taking place beyond the western hemisphere. Many developing countries looked at Iran for leadership role in their satellite projects since a decade ago. Iran wasn't invited to SMMS as a mere bystander. People living in Bangladesh, Mongolia, Pakistan, Thailand, Korea, etc benefit because of Iran's scientific contribution to that project.

    So what if it's not as advanced as what the west produces, and it's not a 'new' technology? It's not useless to people who really need it who do not enjoy fortunate access to those OMFG Israel/US/Europe's STroong! satellites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    Give as a reliable link so we won't remain ignorant.
    I already gave you but I cannot force you to read them. See the pages of those faculty members I posted. They have several articles related to satellites in peer reviewed journals and cited conferences.

    And FYI , IUST is not even a highest ranking university in Iran. Tehran university and Sharif U. are.

    On those boards I can see chips that are possibly FPGAs. They may contain huge circuits designed by Iranian themselves (and programmed to RAW FPGA programmable ICs). In the photo posted by RPG man, the hole where the lens is installed has crappy edges. In the photos of this satellite I see very clean and precision machinery.

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