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    Quote Originally Posted by Piano View Post
    These are going to be armed with cruise missiles with nuclear warheads?
    Probably.

    Quote Originally Posted by Piano View Post
    Why doesn't Israel get nuclear-powered submarines - they could go around the horn of Africa/and be permanently stationed in the Indian Ocean?
    Too expensive to purchase even via FMF, too expensive to maintain, too big to conceal in Israeli harbors, too large crews, NPT-related political difficulties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGXL836 View Post
    Probably.
    Where is Israel getting it's nukes from than ? What nukes are going to be on-board ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crush6655 View Post
    Where is Israel getting it's nukes from than ? What nukes are going to be on-board ?
    Israel neither confirms nor denies having any nukes.

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    For one Virginia-class SSN, you can purchase roughly 3 to 4 Dolphin II AIP SSK. I think this is a no brainer for a small country like Israel especially as AIP propulsion increases the range and endurance of conventional submarine by a factor of three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crush6655 View Post
    Where is Israel getting it's nukes from than ? What nukes are going to be on-board ?
    From the magical nuke fairy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren789 View Post
    For one Virginia-class SSN, you can purchase roughly 3 to 4 Dolphin II AIP SSK. I think this is a no brainer for a small country like Israel especially as AIP propulsion increases the range and endurance of conventional submarine by a factor of three.
    I've googled, it says the Virginia-class SSN can dive to a depth of 240 meters while the U-212 (Israeli Dolphins) can dive to a depth of 700 meters .. is it logical ?

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    Your average Mercedes can dive to 240 meters. German quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crush6655 View Post
    I've googled, it says the Virginia-class SSN can dive to a depth of 240 meters while the U-212 (Israeli Dolphins) can dive to a depth of 700 meters .. is it logical ?
    Not sure why this is relevant but why not? Boats that dive deep are always smaller.
    Oh and the Type 212 is a different boat than the Israeli Dolphin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crush6655 View Post
    I've googled, it says the Virginia-class SSN can dive to a depth of 240 meters while the U-212 (Israeli Dolphins) can dive to a depth of 700 meters .. is it logical ?
    I am sure they cant dive to 700 mts. Does it says in wikipedia?

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    The newly presented U216 SSK design, a super-size variant of the U212/U214 vying for the Australian submarine's program might interest Israel in a distant future:

    [IMG]http://i43.*******.com/1538rxl.jpg[/IMG]

    [IMG]http://i39.*******.com/1gj8md.jpg[/IMG]

    [IMG]http://i39.*******.com/vinnlf.jpg[/IMG]
    Displacement: ~4,000 tons (for comparison Dolphin I: 1800 tons; Dolphin II: 2300 tons)
    Length: 89m (Dolphin I: 57m; Dolphin II: 68m)
    [LEFT]Vertical Launch System behind the sail of 2.5 m diameter to deploy cruise missiles or UUV

    More info:
    http://www.navyrecognition.com/index...sk=view&id=264[/LEFT]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Climber View Post
    I am sure they cant dive to 700 mts. Does it says in wikipedia?
    "mind. 400 m, Zerstörungstauchtiefe ca. 700 m."

    at least 400 meters, maximum 700 according to wiki. But as we know from "Das Boot", you can always push the edge a little

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    Quote Originally Posted by tluassa View Post
    "mind. 400 m, Zerstörungstauchtiefe ca. 700 m."

    at least 400 meters, maximum 700 according to wiki. But as we know from "Das Boot", you can always push the edge a little
    You will never hear the real diving depth anyway, as this is one of the biggest military secrets about submarines.
    From what I read on different sites many seem to expect at least 700 m.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tluassa View Post
    "mind. 400 m, Zerstörungstauchtiefe ca. 700 m."

    at least 400 meters, maximum 700 according to wiki. But as we know from "Das Boot", you can always push the edge a little
    If its in Wiki I dont believe it,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redox View Post
    You will never hear the real diving depth anyway, as this is one of the biggest military secrets about submarines.
    From what I read on different sites many seem to expect at least 700 m.
    But the difference between 240 and 700 is big.. even if you double 240 or divide 700 by 2 you get a big differnce, so there must be some truth in those numbers...

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