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    Quote Originally Posted by Bidoul33t View Post
    As usual everyone is missing the point and a dumb politician swoops in to make a few voters goes "bawww"

    The problem is not what the motto means but the latin phrasing "Opus dei cvm pecunia alienum efficemus" (we create the work of God with strangers money, bad phrasing)

    The thing that should change is "Opus Dei" to "Miracula" "Miracula cvm pecunia alienum efficemus" (we create wonders with strangers money).

    Not only it's better latin, and Miracula is "wonders" and not "miracle" (making it a great motto for a prototyping office which is what the Rapid Capabilities Office does), but Opus Dei is a well known catholic organisation close to integrists (Catholics extremist) and with cult-like practice.

    It's perfectly normal to remove that mention as offensive... Because in that case, it is.

    Now I maybe wrong but if the motto was in English it probably would have stayed (or not).
    What he said. Read and learn knuckleheads.

    Quote Originally Posted by EdisonTrent View Post
    Cept there are also Star of Davids. Still think using normal gravestones and having a cross shaped or other religious symbol shape would have been better but I think that would be impossible. I am fine with that memorial as. The Cross can easily be removed and maybe stay at the church.
    Gee Ed, I'll sleep better at night knowing that you're "fine" with the memorial as is. I was worried.

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    One nation under Allah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeMonolith View Post
    One nation under Allah.
    Not anywhere on either American continent, bubs.
    Not happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shermbodius View Post
    Not anywhere on either American continent, bubs.
    Not happening.
    Unless you're actually willing to have that debate out in the open.. oh yes. you will.

    Unfortunately we didnt over here.. and look what have happened so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...from-logo.html

    "Rep. Randy Forbes, (R-VA), said the Air Force removed the logo several weeks ago from the Rapid Capabilities Office. The patch included a line written in Latin that read, “Doing God’s Work with Other People’s Money.” But after the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers complained, Forbes said the line was rewritten in Latin to read, “Doing Miracles with Other People’s Money.”

    These douchebags won't be happy until the word "God" has been erased from every official writing of any sort. What next, the National Anthem, Pledge of Allegiance, and currency? I'm surprised they allowed the word "Miracle" and didn't insist on, "statistically unlikely events".
    "Doing God's work", even if meant in a humorous way, is a very poor choice of words. The US military fights against radicals who themselves think they'd be doing God's work by blowing up America's sons and daughters.

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    Eisenhower- Crusade? Prayer? ALmighty God? he must be an insane fundamentalist.......

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    Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office

    Mission
    The Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office expedites development and fielding of select Department of Defense combat support and weapon systems by leveraging defense-wide technology development efforts and existing operational capabilities. The Board of Directors tasks the office directly to address needs that involve mission applications and operational concepts requiring specialized expertise, and involve sensitive activities managed by other government agencies. The office also conducts projects on accelerated timelines.
    http://www.af.mil/information/factsh...et.asp?id=3466

    ^^ Was that supposed to be God/god/G-d´s work ? I think a truly religious man would be even upset because of the use of that word there.



    Quote Originally Posted by Leaper View Post
    Good thing that they removed it
    X 2, I don´t see the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post
    Eisenhower- Crusade? Prayer? ALmighty God? he must be an insane fundamentalist.......
    There is a difference between the hope on God's blessing and the claim to execute his will.

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    My fellow Americans: Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew at that moment that troops of the United States and our allies were crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come to pass with success thus far. And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in prayer:

    Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our Nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity. Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith. They will need Thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard. For the enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may not come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again; and we know that by Thy grace, and by the righteousness of our cause, our sons will triumph. They will be sore tried, by night and by day, without rest-until the victory is won. The darkness will be rent by noise and flame. Men's souls will be shaken with the violences of war.
    For these men are lately drawn from the ways of peace. They fight not for the lust of conquest. They fight to end conquest. They fight to liberate. They fight to let justice arise, and tolerance and good will among all Thy people. They yearn but for the end of battle, for their return to the haven of home. Some will never return. Embrace these, Father, and receive them, Thy heroic servants, into Thy kingdom. And for us at home -- fathers, mothers, children, wives, sisters, and brothers of brave men overseas -- whose thoughts and prayers are ever with them--help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in renewed faith in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice.
    Many people have urged that I call the Nation into a single day of special prayer. But because the road is long and the desire is great, I ask that our people devote themselves in a continuance of prayer. As we rise to each new day, and again when each day is spent, let words of prayer be on our lips, invoking Thy help to our efforts.
    Give us strength, too -- strength in our daily tasks, to redouble the contributions we make in the physical and the material support of our armed forces. And let our hearts be stout, to wait out the long travail, to bear sorrows that may come, to impart our courage unto our sons wheresoever they may be. And, O Lord, give us Faith. Give us Faith in Thee; Faith in our sons; Faith in each other; Faith in our united crusade. Let not the keenness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of temporary events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment let not these deter us in our unconquerable purpose. With Thy blessing, we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy. Help us to conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogancies. Lead us to the saving of our country, and with our sister Nations into a world unity that will spell a sure peace a peace invulnerable to the schemings of unworthy men. And a peace that will let all of men live in freedom, reaping the just rewards of their honest toil. Thy will be done, Almighty God. Amen.




    Sure sounds like he thought it to be gods work, huh? that crazy fundy FDR....

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    Meh. 'Tis no business of mine anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeMonolith View Post
    Unless you're actually willing to have that debate out in the open.. oh yes. you will.

    Unfortunately we didnt over here.. and look what have happened so far.
    Mike, you got me if your talking Detroit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post
    Sure sounds like he thought it to be gods work, huh? that crazy fundy FDR....
    You forgot to remark unholy (... shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy)
    :P

    Is it posible that you are not considering the context of that speech ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post
    Sure sounds like he thought it to be gods work, huh? that crazy fundy FDR....
    Let's not forget this gem:


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    Sometimes its necessary for sane (I hope Obama is one) people to talk about god.

    But I hope anybody who has to make important decisions is an atheist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post

    Eisenhower- Crusade? Prayer? ALmighty God? he must be an insane fundamentalist.......
    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post
    My fellow Americans: Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew at that moment that troops of the United States and our allies were crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come to pass with success thus far. And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in prayer:

    Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our Nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity. Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith. They will need Thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard. For the enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may not come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again; and we know that by Thy grace, and by the righteousness of our cause, our sons will triumph. They will be sore tried, by night and by day, without rest-until the victory is won. The darkness will be rent by noise and flame. Men's souls will be shaken with the violences of war.
    For these men are lately drawn from the ways of peace. They fight not for the lust of conquest. They fight to end conquest. They fight to liberate. They fight to let justice arise, and tolerance and good will among all Thy people. They yearn but for the end of battle, for their return to the haven of home. Some will never return. Embrace these, Father, and receive them, Thy heroic servants, into Thy kingdom. And for us at home -- fathers, mothers, children, wives, sisters, and brothers of brave men overseas -- whose thoughts and prayers are ever with them--help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in renewed faith in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice.
    Many people have urged that I call the Nation into a single day of special prayer. But because the road is long and the desire is great, I ask that our people devote themselves in a continuance of prayer. As we rise to each new day, and again when each day is spent, let words of prayer be on our lips, invoking Thy help to our efforts.
    Give us strength, too -- strength in our daily tasks, to redouble the contributions we make in the physical and the material support of our armed forces. And let our hearts be stout, to wait out the long travail, to bear sorrows that may come, to impart our courage unto our sons wheresoever they may be. And, O Lord, give us Faith. Give us Faith in Thee; Faith in our sons; Faith in each other; Faith in our united crusade. Let not the keenness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of temporary events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment let not these deter us in our unconquerable purpose. With Thy blessing, we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy. Help us to conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogancies. Lead us to the saving of our country, and with our sister Nations into a world unity that will spell a sure peace a peace invulnerable to the schemings of unworthy men. And a peace that will let all of men live in freedom, reaping the just rewards of their honest toil. Thy will be done, Almighty God. Amen.




    Sure sounds like he thought it to be gods work, huh? that crazy fundy FDR....
    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    Let's not forget this gem:

    These are examples of "Appeal to Authority", a type of fallacy. What these people did have nothing to do with the argument. The Atheist group complained to the military about the Latin word "God", and the military responded. There are no laws violated by either side. The Atheist group DID NOT sue the military to force them to change the word "God". If you are religious and feel offended by this action, then go complain to the military. This is exactly what some people did. Just hope the military will respond to you, too. No one should take this issue to court because it is not a legal matter.

    Presidents CAN express their religious views, and they often do. This is NOT a violation of "separation between Church and state". Above videos prove nothing except that our Presidents also have freedom of religion.

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