Reply With QuoteWhy not?Originally Posted by Sparexenith
What Muslims believe in they got it from Judaism and Christianity.
Maldivians were probably Buddhist, Jains, and Hindus before Islam.
He holds a Maldivian citizenship. In constitution it says one has to be a Muslim to be a Maldivian citizen. So a Maldivian cannot be of any other religion. If he then he is committing a crime. Which he should be dealt accordingly. This happened in Nasheed's regime. Extremists called for his death or to convert to Islam. I now got a update that he converted to Islam so that he was released. It is said he is now a faithful Muslim.
Why not?
What Muslims believe in they got it from Judaism and Christianity.
Maldivians were probably Buddhist, Jains, and Hindus before Islam.
It doesn't matter to these guys what their ancestors were.They are so brainwashed that for them world begins and ends with islam.In their textbooks they call pre islamic past as "Age of Jahiliyah" which means age of ignorance.They reject and spit on their own cultural past and proudly worship foreign culture
Yeh our ancestors were of many religions. After converting to Islam some 800 years ago Maldivians burned down any proof of any other religion in the country. As a result of that we have we little part of our history known to us & few evidences of oldern religions survived.
No No... I'm not brainwashed I'm talking about whats in the constitution and someone going against it. If he or she does that should be dealt accordingly.
Without due process?
No, he was arrested. 24 hrs without a court order police can arrests anyone they suspect of a crime. So when the 24 hrs was up Police obtained a court order to extend his arrest and it was granted to the Police. While in that period he converted to Islam. So he was released without charges. And this happened in Nasheed's regime.
What's the point in having courts when the police can arbitraily arrest anyone?
They can only hold them for 24 hrs. In Nasheeds regime he arrested politicians and kept them for 23 hrs and 59 minutes in prison and then release and again after 1 or 2 hrs he arrested them again there were politicians who got arrested like that constantly for 7 nights. Well as long as its not 24 hrs its legal. We all knew this was abuse of power by the president so we decided not to follow unlawful orders. So Police peacefully protested (Allowed in the constitution) and asked initially for only one demand that is not to make any "unlawful" orders. But unfortunately President nor their Commissioner couldn't agree to that demand. So it led to eventual demise of Nasheeds presidency.
You mean he was overthrown by a military coup.
Neither Islam is debatable for Muslims nor does the Constitution of Maldives for the public.
“The woman and the man guilty of illegal ****** intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment.” [Sura 24 - Al-Noor: Verse 2].
ARTICLE 2:
The Maldives is a sovereign, independent, democratic Republic based on the principles of Islam, and is a unitary State, to be known as the Republic of the Maldives. Any reference to “the Maldives” is a reference to the Republic of the Maldives.
ARTICLE 9:
(d) Despite the provisions of article (a) a non- Muslim may not become a citizen of the Maldives.
ARTICLE 10:
(a) The religion of the State of the Maldives is Islam. Islam shall be the one of the basis of all the laws of the Maldives
(b) No law contrary to any tenet of Islam shall be enacted in the Maldives
Above is the verse in Holy Quran, the ‘Islamic Order’ and Shariah, which defines the verdict for illegal ****** intercourse and some Articles from the Constitution of Maldives which impose Islam as the only Religion and its orders to be enforced.
The verse gives no resolutions on modern Human Rights, drafted by us ‘Doubtful’ human beings, and the Articles gives no exception for United Nations Conventions and Declarations. Thus we cannot argue with God's order over our terms of uncertain ideas, nor can we argue with the constitution over norms of other cultures.
But here is how blind we are to see definite things over our arrogance, ignorance and political self-importance.
Pillay against Islam and Maldives
The UN human rights chief, Navi Pillay, told the Maldivian parliamentarians on 24th November that Flogging women convicted of extra-marital *** is one of the most inhumane forms of violence against women, calling for a much "needed" public debate in the Maldives on the issue.
Moreover, she also called on Maldivian authorities to remove the "discriminatory" constitutional provision that requires every citizen to be a Muslim in a press conference on 25th November at United Nations Building in Male’.
Protests and Condemns:
Protesters gathered outside the UN Building in Male’ the same day, condemning UN human rights chief's comments against flogging and the constitutional provision that requires every Maldivian to be a Muslim. Protestors took to the streets of capital Male’ for a second day of demonstrations against UN human rights chief's comments.
On 26th November, Foreign Minister Ahmed Naseem said that the government will not allow debates to be held in the Maldives on issues that are against the fundamentals of Islam.
Parliamentarians on 28th November condemned the comments made by UN human rights chief about flogging at the parliament session.
A religious conservative NGO, Salaf, later asked the UN representative in Maldives to investigate and take action against the UN human rights chief for her recent comments "against penalties stipulated by Islamic Shari'a Law".
Pillay expressed concerns over reports of rising religious intolerance in the Maldives, media reports quoted her spokesperson as saying after the community disorder.
Comments and other Concerns:
Every Maldivian should be confident in themselves in order to ensure that a statement made by a person does not shake their beliefs and faith, President Mohamed Nasheed said on 27th Novemebr evening Speaking at the function held at Dharubaaruge to present the National Award of Honour and National Award of Recognition. He also added that we must debate on doubtful issues and come up with conclusion at the expertise level, referring to religious uncertainties.
Vice president of Maldivian Democratic Party, Alhan Fahumee, said on 28th November that he did not believe Pillay’s comments were on Islam or did humiliate Islam. He urged it was constitutional and legal matters which Pillay brought to their concern to debate and come to an understanding.
Many skeptic minds around did praise Pillay’s comments honoring her as a human rights and freedom of religion’s activist. These comments were clearly seen at mainstream media comments and on social networks.
What is to Debate?
It is obviously definite that no Muslim can argue with Allah and question His book and order, Holy Quran. And no ordinary Maldivian can argue with the Maldivian constitution. So it is very clear what is to debate or not.
Even if you have doubts, you cannot argue with God and cut a flexible deal on your terms. For a conclusion, go back to the top of the post and read the verse from Holy Quran and the Articles in the Constitution of Maldives presented.
So it is as clear as Day and Night to identify what is 'Right' or 'Wrong' in this mayhem. Neither Islam is debatable for Muslims nor does the Constitution of Maldives for the public.
Islam isn't debatable for Muslims. Neither does our constitution for us. Above post will give yu a sense of idea of why.
God gave us the free will to think for ourselves.
Religions does not command how or what to think, people do.
Why not? Is it not the Courts responsibility to intrepret the Constitution and the citizen's right to challenge it in a court of law?
Constititutions in a democratic society are living documents that are constantly intrepeted by the courts and updated through amendments.
“The woman and the man guilty of illegal ****** intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment.” [Sura 24 - Al-Noor: Verse 2].
As said on that verse, We cannot argue or debate about such punishments as flogging and killing those who turn non-muslim after been a Muslim. It is prohibited to debate about Allahs words.
Islam is different from other religions. Islam is more then a religion it has commands for everything we do in life. It is a way of living a life style so as to say. We are trying to modernize that life style to fit with modern ways. It is a challenge Islam is facing. A challenge moderate Muslims are trying to overcome. Extremists are trying to take advantage of.
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